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03 Dec 2012, 8:44 pm

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There's nothing wrong with self-diagnosis, and often it's the only way something will be picked up. With that, one must see a professional for their official opinion whether the self-diagnosis is right or not (if one is unhappy with the professional's opinion, one can see another; a couple of opinions should be more than enough in nearly all cases). Expert or generic psychic, it doesn't matter (both have their pluses and minuses).

However, saying that one has it when they're self-diagnosed is wrong; there's lots of disorders out there that appear similar to lots of other disorders after all, and it's hard to see if one is truly displaying a symptom of whatever. For example, most people probably aren't aware if they lack social reciprocation as it's defined in Asperger's; it's too hard to tell from the perspective of the patient. Others are easier to figure out though, like if you have that narrow and intense interest that you spend most of your time on (you'll probably think it's "normal" though until you read or hear that it's abnormal).


Even if it is too hard to tell directly, the patient can still observe the consequences- a lack of friends, people seeming to wilfully misunderstand them, things always going wrong with people- and they could put those things together and think that they may have some problem with social things.
Unless they're the type to believe that everyone else has the problem, which I have to admit isn't unknown amongst people.


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03 Dec 2012, 9:04 pm

I always knew there was something about me that was "different" than other people.

10 months ago a coworker asked me if I had aspergers. She said I showed the same traits as a couple people she knew who had AS. I had heard of it, but I didn't know what the traits were. She explained the traits for AS and I started to think it may be worth looking into because the traits she was listing were the exact traits that made me feel different.

I asked a friend, who is an OT and works with kids on the spectrum. She said she thought for years that I may be on the spectrum. She sent me the link to the RODS quiz. After scoring around 130 on that I started reading everything I could find on AS. I literally got less than 3 hours of sleep a night for a week because I was up reading. I started reading the threads here and was amazed at how many of the threads I could totally relate to!

I told my roommate about my suspicions because she is a registered guidance counselor. She said she can see why I'd think I have AS.

I don't have the money for an assessment. And the thought of a one on one conversation with a stranger isn't my idea of fun. 8O It seems like a sure fire way to make my anxiety levels skyrocket.


This isn't something I just decided to say I have.
I didn't wake up one day and say "Hey, it'd be cool to have Aspergers."


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03 Dec 2012, 9:06 pm

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sweetleaf, why can't the therapist diagnose you? because they don't have the proper degree? i see that you're 23, i am only a few years older and teachers at my elementary school noticed something was off with me.(a.d.d./aspergers/whatever) assuming you grew up in the u.s., i am puzzled as to why your teachers/parent's friends e.t.c. never noticed anything off. were you evaluated for adhd as a child? (as many of our generation were)


Sweetleaf lacks the MONEY for a professional diagnosis.

The only reason I'm diagnosed is because I was DXed through the military mental health service.

Lack of MONEY is a huge barrier to "professional" diagnosis.


The only reason I was diagnosed is because I am on Medicaid, because I am disabled and unable to work.

I was self-diagnosed in December 2010. I was professionally diagnosed in March or April of 2011. I was professionally diagnosed a second time in June or July of 2012. Since my self-diagnosis was validated so easily, I find it difficult to see how people can proclaim themselves such experts that they can dismiss a self-diagnosis simply because it is a self-diagnosis.

These threads are pointless and seem to only serve to put people on the defensive for not having the proper paperwork.



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03 Dec 2012, 9:11 pm

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ok im not trying to poke fun, but google "6 real diseases that have somehow become trendy" it's on cracked.comaspergers is on there but the whole thing is hilarious (if you can laugh at that type of thing). i really love the part on bipolar! :lol:


That article is BS. It is, to my most charitable interpretation, a case of fundamental attribution error run amok. The writer proposes a list of assumed motives for self-diagnosing, and fails to consider the probability that many people self-diagnose because they're looking for why have things been difficult for them? One of those difficulties may include other people telling them they are lazy and have bad social skills.



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03 Dec 2012, 9:13 pm

but is it also possible that SOME self diagnosed people just happen to have bad social skills and or are maladjusted?

i guess my question to sweetleaf was were there any indications during your childhood that you were different? something noticible to those around you?


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03 Dec 2012, 9:20 pm

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but is it also possible that SOME self diagnosed people just happen to have bad social skills and or are maladjusted?


It is possible, but I doubt a thread like this one would make any such person have a sudden insight and realize they were wrong all along. And I am not sure the number of people you think are wrong are actually wrong.

Also, I am not sure there is such a thing as "just happen to have bad social skills and/or are maladjusted." Also, no such thing as just "lazy." If these things are applicable, you're probably diagnosable with something. Negative judgments do not automatically equate to facts.

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i guess my question to sweetleaf was were there any indications during your childhood that you were different? something noticible to those around you?


Many such indications in my case. When I brought the possibility up to my mother, she started listing several.



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03 Dec 2012, 9:33 pm

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but is it also possible that SOME self diagnosed people just happen to have bad social skills and or are maladjusted?


Although that is a theoretical possiblity, I doubt anyone would hang around WrongPlanet for long if that's all the problems they have.

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i guess my question to sweetleaf was were there any indications during your childhood that you were different? something noticible to those around you?


Babybuggy32, your lack of knowledge of the facts does not equate to the facts being non-existent. *facepalm*


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03 Dec 2012, 9:33 pm

the article was meant to be humor. it also happens to be kinda true. there are people who diagnose themselves falsely with various disorders.

so what you're saying is that a person cannot simply have a personality trait, that every trait indicates a disorder?
there are no lazy people or people with bad social skills?

are you being seroious? :?

have you come into contact with many people at all?

and my question for sweetleaf meant that i was surprised that no one during his childhoolpicked up on it. sounds like nobody was paying attention


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03 Dec 2012, 9:40 pm

babybuggy32 wrote:
but is it also possible that SOME self diagnosed people just happen to have bad social skills and or are maladjusted?

i guess my question to sweetleaf was were there any indications during your childhood that you were different? something noticible to those around you?


Yeah, it was pretty hard to ignore that people found me different, weird, abnormal I couldn't hear enough about it. and figured it was reason to pick on and ostracize me.....I even had teachers in on it sometimes. So on top of whatever was always different about me that certainly didn't help just made things like depression and anxiety worse.


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03 Dec 2012, 9:46 pm

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the article was meant to be humor. it also happens to be kinda true. there are people who diagnose themselves falsely with various disorders.


The article appears to be aimed at the kind of person who already views mental illness with disdain.

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so what you're saying is that a person cannot simply have a personality trait, that every trait indicates a disorder?
there are no lazy people or people with bad social skills?

are you being seroious? :?

have you come into contact with many people at all?


I am saying that if someone has "personality traits" that are causing them significant difficulty, that they're diagnosable.

I am not saying that every personality trait indicates a disorder. However, bad social skills can cause fairly severe impairment, to the point that it would surprise me if someone who is simply terrible socially would not be diagnosable with something - and that something can be anything from a personality disorder to bipolar disorder to ADHD to autism.

You seem to be appealing to a "common sense" perception of personality traits, but common sense often does not come from an informed stance.

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and my question for sweetleaf meant that i was surprised that no one during his childhoolpicked up on it. sounds like nobody was paying attention


Considering this thread (link) I am a bit surprised you would assume Sweetleaf is male without checking her profile first.

Also, people can mean many things when they say that they weren't noticed. I try to be more specific because people tend to make many unwarranted assumptions when less thorough descriptions are provided. One thing people often mean is that the possibility of a diagnosis went unnoticed, but the traits that would justify that diagnosis were not. Instead, they were judged harshly as if they were personally responsible for choosing those traits. Just for one example of what people might mean.



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03 Dec 2012, 9:47 pm

i am surprised that your teachers didn't try to help figure out your situation. or even talked with your parents. that was irresponsible of them as that is standard protocol. you may have been denied any help you may have needed if any.


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03 Dec 2012, 9:50 pm

They didn't really diagnose girls with Asperger's when I was child in my country. It was rare to get diagnosed with anything like that unless you 'acted up', which I didn't (I've never been one for violent meltdowns).

I was diagnosed with major depression as a child and dyspraxia as a teen. I have an informal diagnosis of Asperger's, but getting a formal one isn't really seen as necessary by the NHS or by me, personally.



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03 Dec 2012, 9:50 pm

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i am surprised that your teachers didn't try to help figure out your situation. or even talked with your parents. that was irresponsible of them as that is standard protocol. you may have been denied any help you may have needed if any.


Some teachers are just rubbish? Especially 20 years ago?



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03 Dec 2012, 9:53 pm

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Even if it is too hard to tell directly, the patient can still observe the consequences- a lack of friends, people seeming to wilfully misunderstand them, things always going wrong with people- and they could put those things together and think that they may have some problem with social things.


Yes. Which would be why one would look towards clinical disorders related to social ability and related skills if they think it's pathologically profound.



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03 Dec 2012, 10:27 pm

My diagnosis was free, because I'm participating in an ASD study at a neuropsychology research university, and assessment is the first part. So there are options for people who aren't well-off or don't have insurance; God knows I couldn't have afforded it otherwise.



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03 Dec 2012, 10:38 pm

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My diagnosis was free, because I'm participating in an ASD study at a neuropsychology research university, and assessment is the first part. So there are options for some people who aren't well-off or don't have insurance; God knows I couldn't have afforded it otherwise.


Corrected.


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