Will we still get accommodations?

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14 Dec 2012, 10:17 pm

I am applying for accommodations in order to take the GRE in the spring.

But, since the DSM is changing the name of my disorder, will I even be able to get them?

It's like, I NEED those accommodations. Why? Because I'm AUTISTIC. Asperger's is Autism.

I don't have the money to get re-diagnosed in order to spend more money to get accommodations that I already need in the first place.

I'm just a little irritated, that's all. I don't know what to expect. I'm autistic; I hate change.

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14 Dec 2012, 10:20 pm

EstherJ wrote:

im not sure man, you might still be able to if you can get your psychologist to classify as you HFA. BTW what accommodations are you applying for? Im taking the gre(eventually LOL) myself. I doubt I need any accommodations but more time would be kickass.

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14 Dec 2012, 11:04 pm

Why wouldn't you?

Your label is just being moved into the larger group known as Autism Spectrum Disorder. Autistic Disorder and PDD-NOS are being moved into it too.

Everyone will just have an ASD.

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14 Dec 2012, 11:13 pm

I'm not quite sure why you wouldn't. Yes, Asperger's is autism, which is why they are calling it an autism spectrum disorder. Nothing should change in terms of your accommodations.

I am also curious what types of accommodations you get for the GRE because I have to take it soon to apply for a PhD.

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15 Dec 2012, 12:25 am

EstherJ wrote:

Having Asperger doesn't mean you need accommodations, but sadly many with Aspergers cheat the system and get special treatment.

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15 Dec 2012, 1:09 am

DVCal wrote:

EstherJ wrote:

Having Asperger doesn't mean you need accommodations, but sadly many with Aspergers cheat the system and get special treatment.

I do need accommodations, but only when it comes to using a computer to do essay tests. I was denied that by the Arizona Board of Education (well really by people halfway across the country, but it was ABoE making the final decision) for my teaching certification exams. They basically gave me the lowest passable score for my essay (despite me generally getting the highest scores on essays all throughout undergrad and grad school). Thankfully my multiple choice answers pulled the score up even farther into the passable parts. I am hardly cheating the system to get something that gives me no real advantage over anyone else.

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15 Dec 2012, 1:14 am

DVCal wrote:

Having Asperger doesn't mean you need accommodations, but sadly many with Aspergers cheat the system and get special treatment.

[citation needed]

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15 Dec 2012, 1:16 am

jinto1986 wrote:

DVCal wrote:

EstherJ wrote:

Having Asperger doesn't mean you need accommodations, but sadly many with Aspergers cheat the system and get special treatment.

The fact is everyone would do better with extra time and quiet rooms for testing. Did you get accommodations that would have benefited NTs when you got the highest scores in your undergrad and grad, if so you can't compare your score with everyone else since they did it without special treatment. FYI I feel the same way with people who have ADHD and get accommodations.

I know many do not agree with me on this, but I strongly believe no mater what condition you may or may not have if your accommodations would be an advantage to others without your condition then you should not get those accommodations. The only accommodations that should be permitted are ones that are of no value to anyone else.

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15 Dec 2012, 2:08 am

DVCal wrote:

EstherJ wrote:

Having Asperger doesn't mean you need accommodations, but sadly many with Aspergers cheat the system and get special treatment.

For me, the best school accommodation would be a career counselor who doesn't get irritated when I ask multiple dumb questions about social career-related social stuff and etiquette. She must think I am ret*d or OCD or something.

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15 Dec 2012, 2:16 am

Tyri0n wrote:

DVCal wrote:

EstherJ wrote:

Having Asperger doesn't mean you need accommodations, but sadly many with Aspergers cheat the system and get special treatment.

Stuff like that is fine. I was thinking more of things like extra time on test and HW, calculator allowed for you but not others. Those type of accommodations.

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15 Dec 2012, 2:33 am

I am in the same boat; it's going to be hard finding straight answers with the reclassification.

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15 Dec 2012, 10:20 am

Just because the name changes, doesn't mean your needs don't. If you have needs which need accommodating, you should still get them. Isn't there a disability discrimination act in the US, which states that adjustments have to be made?

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15 Dec 2012, 11:08 am

DVCal wrote:

jinto1986 wrote:

DVCal wrote:

EstherJ wrote:

Having Asperger doesn't mean you need accommodations, but sadly many with Aspergers cheat the system and get special treatment.

The problem with accommodations, is people get used to them. Now, the work place doesn't give a s**t if you need head phones, extra time, whatever.

I have an ADHD friend, who is now an adult. He had all those wonderful accommodations throughout school and university. He is now unemployed because he EXPECTS his potential employer to pony up a quiet spot to work (lol....his job is more cubicle shroom village than office), extended time to finish his tasks..... :roll:

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Jobs aren't charities. Jobs are to make money for your boss and company. If you are Bill Gates brilliant, they might go the extra mile to help you out. Most folks aren't that. In an ultra competitive NT job market, with NT HR people looking through resumes and conducting interviews, the kiss of death is asking for more than the average wage slave will get.

If the system offers extra time, a separate room for test taking, whatever, and you can get it, why not? I don't blame you. Don't kid yourself, though. If you are going into the regular old job market and fight with everyone else for crumbs, figure out how you can do the work without them.

Remember Disability Services gets funding on how many bodies roll through their system. You getting more time now for classes, will not necessarily help you later on. They won't tell you that part.

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15 Dec 2012, 12:21 pm

DVCal wrote:

jinto1986 wrote:

DVCal wrote:

EstherJ wrote:

Having Asperger doesn't mean you need accommodations, but sadly many with Aspergers cheat the system and get special treatment.

NT's dont get accommodation because they arent different. They dont walk into the test at a disadvantage. The purpose of the accommodations is to level the playing field. I plan on applying for time and ahalf or hopefully double time. Historically, I am usually the first to finish tests, however I would like to have the extra time so that I can feel less pressured and can take my time and make sure I understand everything Im looking at. I also have anxiety so this should help me in that regard. If I had normal time I would probably SKIM the reading comp section instead of reading it. At the end of the day we are all paying a lot of money for the GRE so we can get accommodations if we'd like. If the GRE board doesnt like it, they can go back to the system of marking the accommodated tests and reviewing them with a stigmatized eye. They stopped doing this as it wasnt fair to stigmatize these tests since they are just normalizing the results.

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15 Dec 2012, 12:32 pm

I am autistic and I think I should take my math test with a computer but they call this cheating.

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15 Dec 2012, 1:01 pm

DVCal wrote:

jinto1986 wrote:

DVCal wrote:

EstherJ wrote:

Having Asperger doesn't mean you need accommodations, but sadly many with Aspergers cheat the system and get special treatment.

I never got either of those things (and I am a very fast test taker, so extra time would have been wasted on me). All I got was a computer so my test was legible. Though when you consider everything, most people can write by hand much much faster than they can type, so maybe I should have had extra time for that reason alone. They would frequently even give me computers with spellchecker locked (I am a decent speller, and very few teachers grade down based on spelling, so no biggie). I sometimes did get a different room, but it was hardly quiet, frequently it would have people doing tutoring sessions, the regular classroom would have been much much quieter as there is no talking during tests. So no... I don't think I really got a competitive advantage.

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