Less able to cope: why?
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This is difficult to describe.
I guess it's kind of related to asking about AS symptoms worsening with age, but it's not that exactly. I was put on tranquilisers for anxiety when I was twelve. I have been anxious as long as I can remember. Since the age of seventeen I've been in and out of adult mental health services (out-patient) and had bouts of depression here and there. I've also had a variety of anti-depressants at various times. Obviously I've always had the AS thing of feeling different and the experiences that the traits bring, in socialising etc.
I know that anxiety can worsen things, and I have been going through a worse patch of anxiety for a while now. Things culminated where a lot of stressful things happened at the same time, and I feel as if I've sort of "broken".
What I feel, is that I am less able to cope than ever with just daily living. (I don't mean suicidal BTW).
I mean, I have in the past lived alone and supported myself. Now, I am married with two children. I am a full-time 'housewife' and have not worked for more than seven years, since the birth of my second child. I currently home-educate them both.
I find that looking after the children takes all my mental strength (generally, not just now) and I have let so many things drop. I have special interests in reading subjects and I feel unable to do that any more. I find the smallest thing makes me so stressed, and I think how on earth did I ever live alone, because I would feel totally unable to do that now. Even going out is a huge challenge for me. I feel as if I am barely functioning, just existing on a day-to-date basis. It sounds awful, but it's like the children have drained me. Like before, when I only had myself to look after, I could just about scrape through, albeit with difficulty. My anxiety doesn't seem to be improving, despite medication. I get the urge to run away and be alone so much. I feel like I really need looking after. I feel as if it's impossible for me to cope with anything.
I don't understand this. What do you think is happening? I think it's more than just the anxiety, because I've had a small improvement on that with medication, and the stressful events alleviated. I feel as if my traits are coming out more too.
PS I have wondered whether it's anything to do with this:
On reflection this is not rocket science. The accumulative pain in the human psyche after prolonged and humiliating experiences of compromising oneself to a world that can seem so alien and removed from ones natural self.
Written by quaker in another thread http://www.wrongplanet.net/postt220239.html
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I feel like I am less able to deal with things.
Every time someone abuses me, it breaks off
a little piece and cracks the statue a little more,
crumbling the rock face, damaging me more,
can't be repaired.
I don't have the gift of "forgetting" like
regular people do, it all bilds up and bilds up
and breaks me down, every little abuse harms me
and I am less and less able.
One day I will be in a wheelchair I am afraid,
becuse it is going to disable me physicly
and not just mentally.
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This sounds awful.
I think this is an obvious case: You have too little alone time, am I right?
Could you please elaborate this? How long do you spend a day homeschooling your children, I bet it is not easy to do that all by yourself and I understand the motives of homeschooling, but this can be draining a lot of energy I imagine.
Sorry, if I am asking personal questions, but how is your financial situation? If it is somewhat good, maybe you could afford a teacher who could come over in certain periods only, like every second week so you have some alonetime every second week?
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I understand that! My only child attends school. I couldn't handle her home all day. Not that I don't love her, but I need my alone time. I am a married, stay at home mom, who just never went to work. I've never worked. I can't handle it. I have gotten MUCH worse lately. The last few years have been bad for me. I find myself isolating myself more and more. I can't leave the house as much. My anxiety is through the roof most days. I have tried anti-depressants and they either make it worse or don't help, so I have stopped there. I have AS plus am transgender, and it just is driving me nuts that I can't be who I want. I want to just run away, but I am WAY too dependent on others and know I could never make it on my own.
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I guess it's kind of related to asking about AS symptoms worsening with age, but it's not that exactly. I was put on tranquilisers for anxiety when I was twelve. I have been anxious as long as I can remember. Since the age of seventeen I've been in and out of adult mental health services (out-patient) and had bouts of depression here and there. I've also had a variety of anti-depressants at various times. Obviously I've always had the AS thing of feeling different and the experiences that the traits bring, in socialising etc.
I know that anxiety can worsen things, and I have been going through a worse patch of anxiety for a while now. Things culminated where a lot of stressful things happened at the same time, and I feel as if I've sort of "broken".
What I feel, is that I am less able to cope than ever with just daily living. (I don't mean suicidal BTW).
I mean, I have in the past lived alone and supported myself. Now, I am married with two children. I am a full-time 'housewife' and have not worked for more than seven years, since the birth of my second child. I currently home-educate them both.
I find that looking after the children takes all my mental strength (generally, not just now) and I have let so many things drop. I have special interests in reading subjects and I feel unable to do that any more. I find the smallest thing makes me so stressed, and I think how on earth did I ever live alone, because I would feel totally unable to do that now. Even going out is a huge challenge for me. I feel as if I am barely functioning, just existing on a day-to-date basis. It sounds awful, but it's like the children have drained me. Like before, when I only had myself to look after, I could just about scrape through, albeit with difficulty. My anxiety doesn't seem to be improving, despite medication. I get the urge to run away and be alone so much. I feel like I really need looking after. I feel as if it's impossible for me to cope with anything.
I don't understand this. What do you think is happening? I think it's more than just the anxiety, because I've had a small improvement on that with medication, and the stressful events alleviated. I feel as if my traits are coming out more too.
PS I have wondered whether it's anything to do with this:
On reflection this is not rocket science. The accumulative pain in the human psyche after prolonged and humiliating experiences of compromising oneself to a world that can seem so alien and removed from ones natural self.
Written by quaker in another thread http://www.wrongplanet.net/postt220239.html
I feel like you do but it seems the more isolated I become the less I'm able to cope with the things around me when they do present themselves. I just lost the only friend I had I have no idea what happened. I've been trying to get counseling for the last year and a half and have been turned away by everyone. I was turned away by 6 'counselors' that are involved in my college counseling program, these are psychologists and MSWs, because they don't want to even deal with someone like me. I turned to a large non profit that helps people with developmental disabilities and was turned away because I'm not diagnosed with classic autism so I obviously can't have problems worthy of them. I've fought the state for the last 2 years to get any scrap I can, and I'm still fighting with them. I've been listening to the radio and TV in response to the shootings recently and I keep hearing them all say "we need to institutionalize people". How the f**k are you going to institutionalize people when you won't even help people that are begging for help? The more I look for help the more depressed I get. I keep hoping there is someone out there that gives a s**t outside of a paycheck but people never fail to disappoint me.
I've known I'm in a downward spiral of depression for a long time but I feel like I'm helpless to stop it. It makes trivial things impossible to cope with. It magnifies my anxiety. It just sucks the life out of me. I've often felt what quaker said in the quote. I know the circumstances you and I are in are totally different but depression doesn't care about the details.
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I think this is an obvious case: You have too little alone time, am I right?
Could you please elaborate this? How long do you spend a day homeschooling your children, I bet it is not easy to do that all by yourself and I understand the motives of homeschooling, but this can be draining a lot of energy I imagine.
Sorry, if I am asking personal questions, but how is your financial situation? If it is somewhat good, maybe you could afford a teacher who could come over in certain periods only, like every second week so you have some alonetime every second week?
100% sure I have no time alone, which I know really affects me, but I think it's more than that. When I was alone, I used to zone out for long periods after work and come to, and realise I'd been sat like that for at least an hour without moving. It was something I had to do do de-stress from work. I also used to spend time organising my thoughts because my head gets so chaotic from environmental stuff, and I feel much less able to do that now.
I feel like I have regressed. Like anything I was able to do before, even if a struggle, I would feel unable now. It feels more difficult than ever to try to be NT, like I am a child again, who needs someone totally supporting me. I do have the children 24/7, so obviously this would be hard for anyone, but for me it's like left me with nothing for myself whatsoever, mentally. I wouldn't be able to afford a private tutor for them. I am trying to get the youngest back into school because I can't cope with her meltdowns any more, she's having her ASC assessment tomorrow.
It's kind of like having to perform duties that are expected of me have made me go haywire mentally, because although I am very dedicated in my child-rearing, I think my make-up is not cut out for it.
Something has happened to me, like it's all culminated in me losing what little determination, emotional strength and ability to cope with what for other people are normal things. For me it's unbearable pressure, my husband once said to me "why can't you cope, everyone else can" and even though he knows I have AS and has stated that he believes this is the reason I am the "way I am" (negative connotations) he still doesn't get that I have limits as to what I can do.
I think, in a nutshell, I have used up all my reserves, because of the sheer effort of trying to be normal for years and I can't do it any more, the pot is empty and now I'm helpless.
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It's possible I'm mildly depressed, but I don't think anything significant. I mean, I am in a situation that I am powerless to change at the moment, which would make anyone feel a bit down, but having been depressed in the past I can tell the difference, and anxiety is the issue more than depression. Although even the anxiety isn't the total answer to what I feel.
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Every time someone abuses me, it breaks off
a little piece and cracks the statue a little more,
crumbling the rock face, damaging me more,
can't be repaired.
I don't have the gift of "forgetting" like
regular people do, it all bilds up and bilds up
and breaks me down, every little abuse harms me
and I am less and less able.
One day I will be in a wheelchair I am afraid,
becuse it is going to disable me physicly
and not just mentally.
I get what you are saying too. There's an element of that inside me. Kind of being so jaded about people because of life experiences and you know you can't change other people and a lot of what happens to you. Losing confidence in that way, contributes to anyone's state of mind.
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I've known I'm in a downward spiral of depression for a long time but I feel like I'm helpless to stop it. It makes trivial things impossible to cope with. It magnifies my anxiety. It just sucks the life out of me. I've often felt what quaker said in the quote. I know the circumstances you and I are in are totally different but depression doesn't care about the details.
Maybe when the DSMV is out and AS is put under the autism umbrella they will have to listen? You could go back again and push for it maybe.
I know what you mean about getting counselling and being turned away. I was referred for CBT a year and 4 months ago, and still haven't had my appointment. I went to my GP and said they must have forgotten about me and nothing has been done. I don't know whether CBT would help or not, but the fact that they have just forgotten about me shows that they don't place importance on helping someone.
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Do you go to a specialist like a psychologist on a regular basis?
I regulary go to one and it's a good assistance in life.
Of course, it would be best to get a specialist for autistic disorders, that way you can be sure to get the help you need.
Apparently, you have to restructure your life and that is of course never easy. You should to mention that to that person so you can sit down and plan a new schedule.
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Hi, Whirlingmind:
Oh, my goodness. I am a Mom to two young adults and, boy, do I hear you.
Yes, it was HARD and, yes, the anxiety was severe and persistent. Like you, I was a dedicated parent - and it is a lot of work no matter what, but holy did it beat it out of me. And, yes, I would agree the post you quoted from Quaker is in the mix - for me, this really manifest when we had to cope with the complexity of my own children's teen years after the h*** that was mine, plus the certain complicating factors of AS as I did not know what I was dealing with at that point. We made it, but yes, I can relate to what you are saying.
Just an idea: is there a homeschooling group near you? Maybe your kids could join in on some activities that would allow you some quiet time.
I realize I just stated an idea, but do you want some ideas - just for brainstorming purposes?
You are welcome to PM me if you like - anyone can - if you would like to hear more about my parenting experience.
I don't know what sorts of parenting-with-AS books are out there as I am now past that stage, but maybe this is a project in the making. I would be happy to co-write a book if anyone is interested. I could write a : "this was me account" alone, but I do not think it would do justice to the diversity of needs and experiences within the AS community.
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I regulary go to one and it's a good assistance in life.
Of course, it would be best to get a specialist for autistic disorders, that way you can be sure to get the help you need.
Apparently, you have to restructure your life and that is of course never easy. You should to mention that to that person so you can sit down and plan a new schedule.
Not yet, but I am awaiting CBT. I get intermittent visits from an AS nurse specialist.
Yes, I think restructuring is a good idea, but it's currently out of my realms of possibility. Hell, any sort of structure in my head would be nice!
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Oh, my goodness. I am a Mom to two young adults and, boy, do I hear you.
Yes, it was HARD and, yes, the anxiety was severe and persistent. Like you, I was a dedicated parent - and it is a lot of work no matter what, but holy did it beat it out of me. And, yes, I would agree the post you quoted from Quaker is in the mix - for me, this really manifest when we had to cope with the complexity of my own children's teen years after the h*** that was mine, plus the certain complicating factors of AS as I did not know what I was dealing with at that point. We made it, but yes, I can relate to what you are saying.
Just an idea: is there a homeschooling group near you? Maybe your kids could join in on some activities that would allow you some quiet time.
I realize I just stated an idea, but do you want some ideas - just for brainstorming purposes?
You are welcome to PM me if you like - anyone can - if you would like to hear more about my parenting experience.
I don't know what sorts of parenting-with-AS books are out there as I am now past that stage, but maybe this is a project in the making. I would be happy to co-write a book if anyone is interested. I could write a : "this was me account" alone, but I do not think it would do justice to the diversity of needs and experiences within the AS community.
Hi Logicalmom,
yes, I think parenting for anyone on the spectrum is a whole lot more difficult than it is for NTs. My eldest is eleven, and since she was really small I always said she was like a stroppy teenager, and now she really does have those hormones as well. I think parenting children with AS is even worse, because of the sensory issues when they have meltdowns. I almost had a mental breakdown when my eldest was going through that stage (which lasted years), and now it's happening again with my youngest.
We've tried the home schooling groups. I even set up a girls social club, but my youngest child couldn't cope with the noise of other children playing and they both didn't want to go. Because they aren't NT they resist a lot of socialising and any we do is fraught with difficulty plus you have to stay with your child for most of them, and any that you don't they don't want to go to.
The thing is, with AS all the things that you do that other NT parents do are so much harder and often fly in the face of your own needs (e.g. forcing yourself to take them socialising when it's alien for yourself).
Thanks for offering about PM'ing.
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I don't know how old your children are, but it seems to me there should be a way for you to get a break for a few hours each week, if not for at least an hour or two a day, and just be with yourself. I can see how it would be very stressful to have children around that you're responsible for 24/7.
Is there a chance of trading some time with another SAHM for instance? Each of you take all of the kids for a regular time, so the other has a break? Does your spouse help you get a break? Can you afford daycare for a few hours a week?
I think the idea of home schooling is great. If we'd had children, we talked many times about it, we would have home schooled, and I have often wished I'd been home schooled. But no one, especially someone who is affected by stress and anxiety, or on the spectrum, can be expected to handle the constant load.
Hopefully as your children get older you can hold them responsible for their own time to some extent, set them up with an activity and let them know you need your quiet time, close a door between you and decompress for a while. I know that's not possible with smaller children unless you have another adult around to take them, but they have to learn at some point to entertain themselves.
I hope you can find a solution to this. I'm in awe of what it takes. When I remember all that my mom did for us, both when she was at home and when she held a fulltime job as well, I think she was a saint.
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