Do you fit Gillberg's Criteria?

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10 Jan 2013, 8:48 pm

Tuttle wrote:

This criteria makes me not reject the AS label even though I wasn't diagnosed with it

Well, that and reading Asperger's work.

I think part of it is that I want explicit acknowledgement of everything, not just the minimum needed to meet the diagnosis.

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10 Jan 2013, 9:16 pm

More or less, I fit the criteria.

However, some things are obviously up to the judgement of the person doing the diagnosing.

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10 Jan 2013, 10:08 pm

Severe impairment in reciprocal social interaction (at least two of the following)
inability to interact with peers NO
lack of desire to interact with peers YES
lack of appreciation of social cues YES
socially and emotionally inappropriate behavior YES
All-absorbing narrow interest (at least one of the following)
exclusion of other activities YES
repetitive adherence YES
more rote than meaning SOME
Imposition of routines and interests (at least one of the following)
on self, in aspects of life YES
on others YES
Speech and language problems (at least three of the following)
delayed development DOES echolalia count as a language delay?
superficially perfect expressive language YES
formal, pedantic language YES
odd prosody, peculiar voice characteristics NO unless you count abnormal voice volume
impairment of comprehension including misinterpretations of literal/implied meanings YES
Non-verbal communication problems (at least one of the following)
limited use of gestures YES
clumsy/gauche body language YES
limited facial expression YES
inappropriate expression SOME
peculiar, stiff gaze YES
Motor clumsiness: poor performance on neurodevelopmental examination Never had one

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11 Jan 2013, 12:07 am

Severe impairment in reciprocal social interaction (at least two of the following)
inability to interact with peers - depends
lack of desire to interact with peers - yes
lack of appreciation of social cues - yes
socially and emotionally inappropriate behavior - yes
All-absorbing narrow interest (at least one of the following)
exclusion of other activities - yes
repetitive adherence - yes
more rote than meaning - not sure
Imposition of routines and interests (at least one of the following)
on self, in aspects of life - yes
on others - yes
Speech and language problems (at least three of the following)
delayed development - no
superficially perfect expressive language - yes
formal, pedantic language - yes, which annoys my relative...
odd prosody, peculiar voice characteristics - yes, monotonous.
impairment of comprehension including misinterpretations of literal/implied meanings - yes, though I'm better at it now !
Non-verbal communication problems (at least one of the following)
limited use of gestures - yes though I talk with my hands occasionally
clumsy/gauche body language - yes
limited facial expression - not sure
inappropriate expression - often
peculiar, stiff gaze - yes
Motor clumsiness: poor performance on neurodevelopmental examination - yes

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11 Jan 2013, 12:15 am

Dillogic wrote:

Just a thought. Some say it represents Asperger's better than the DSM-IV-TR regarding Hans' paper, and it's used by various institutions.

I'm unsure if it's harder to meet (you do need all six apparently).

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Severe impairment in reciprocal social interaction (at least two of the following)
inability to interact with peers y
lack of desire to interact with peers y
lack of appreciation of social cues y
socially and emotionally inappropriate behavior y
All-absorbing narrow interest (at least one of the following)
exclusion of other activities y
repetitive adherence y
more rote than meaning ?
Imposition of routines and interests (at least one of the following)
on self, in aspects of life y
on others y
Speech and language problems (at least three of the following)
delayed development y
superficially perfect expressive language y
formal, pedantic language y
odd prosody, peculiar voice characteristics y
impairment of comprehension including misinterpretations of literal/implied meanings
Non-verbal communication problems (at least one of the following)
limited use of gestures y
clumsy/gauche body language y
limited facial expression y
inappropriate expression y
peculiar, stiff gaze y
Motor clumsiness: poor performance on neurodevelopmental examination y

I would pass the test.

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11 Jan 2013, 12:45 am

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I'm unsure if it's harder to meet (you do need all six apparently).

I think it's harder to meet.

Severe impairment in reciprocal social interaction (at least two of the following)
inability to interact with peers No.
lack of desire to interact with peers No.
lack of appreciation of social cues Yes.
socially and emotionally inappropriate behavior Yes.
All-absorbing narrow interest (at least one of the following)
exclusion of other activities Yes.
repetitive adherence Yes.
more rote than meaning I think so.
Imposition of routines and interests (at least one of the following)
on self, in aspects of life Yes.
on others Yes.
Speech and language problems (at least three of the following)
delayed development No.
superficially perfect expressive language Maybe?
formal, pedantic language Maybe.
odd prosody, peculiar voice characteristics No.
impairment of comprehension including misinterpretations of literal/implied meanings Yes.
Non-verbal communication problems (at least one of the following)
limited use of gestures I don't think so.
clumsy/gauche body language I don't think I do this.
limited facial expression They're not natural to me, but I've learnt to do 'normal' ones by mimicking others, so if someone was assessing me, they would think that I have normal facial expressions. Unless of course they asked me what I thought about my facial expressions.
inappropriate expression Yes.
peculiar, stiff gaze Yes, apparently rarely.
Motor clumsiness:
poor performance on neurodevelopmental examination. Yes.

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11 Jan 2013, 12:52 am

The way those are written, I don't meet a single one.

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11 Jan 2013, 5:21 am

I apparently meet it as I was assessed with such (though I don't know how they figured out the motor clumsiness one, as there was no physical testing -- I guess they figured problems with handwriting was enough). Anyway, my subjective evaluation:

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Severe impairment in reciprocal social interaction (at least two of the following) -- Yeah
inability to interact with peers -- Yeah
lack of desire to interact with peers -- Yeah
lack of appreciation of social cues -- Yeah
socially and emotionally inappropriate behavior -- Nope
All-absorbing narrow interest (at least one of the following) -- Yeah
exclusion of other activities -- Yep
repetitive adherence -- Yep
more rote than meaning -- not always
Imposition of routines and interests (at least one of the following) -- Yeah
on self, in aspects of life -- Yep
on others -- Nope
Speech and language problems (at least three of the following) -- Yeah
delayed development -- Yep
superficially perfect expressive language -- sometimes
formal, pedantic language -- Yep
odd prosody, peculiar voice characteristics -- Yep
impairment of comprehension including misinterpretations of literal/implied meanings -- Yep
Non-verbal communication problems (at least one of the following) -- Yeah
limited use of gestures -- Yep
clumsy/gauche body language -- Yep
limited facial expression -- Yep
inappropriate expression -- Yep
peculiar, stiff gaze -- Yep
Motor clumsiness: poor performance on neurodevelopmental examination -- no idea

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11 Jan 2013, 3:27 pm

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Severe impairment in reciprocal social interaction (at least two of the following)
1) inability to interact with peers
2) lack of desire to interact with peers
3) lack of appreciation of social cues
4) socially and emotionally inappropriate behavior

Ad 1) yes.
Ad 2) yes.
Ad 3) I don´t know.
Ad 4) yes.

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All-absorbing narrow interest (at least one of the following)
1) exclusion of other activities
2) repetitive adherence
3) more rote than meaning

Ad 1) yes.
Ad 2) possible.
Ad 3) yes.

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Imposition of routines and interests (at least one of the following)
1) on self, in aspects of life
2) on others

Ad 1) yes.
Ad 2) no, or I don´t know about it.

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Speech and language problems (at least three of the following)
1) delayed development
2) superficially perfect expressive language
3) formal, pedantic language
4) odd prosody, peculiar voice characteristics
5) impairment of comprehension including misinterpretations of literal/implied meanings

Ad 1) no.
Ad 2) yes or possibly.
Ad 3) yes or possibly.
Ad 4) yes.
Ad 5) only sometimes or no. I dunno.

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Non-verbal communication problems (at least one of the following)
1) limited use of gestures
2) clumsy/gauche body language
3) limited facial expression
4) inappropriate expression
5) peculiar, stiff gaze

Ad 1) yes.
Ad 2) yes.
Ad 3) yes.
Ad 4) possibly, I dunno. I don´t watch my expressions.
Ad 5) I dunno. Maybe.

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Motor clumsiness:
poor performance on neurodevelopmental examination

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Yes, possibly.

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11 Jan 2013, 3:37 pm

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Severe impairment in reciprocal social interaction (at least two of the following)
inability to interact with peers [Yes]
lack of desire to interact with peers
lack of appreciation of social cues[Yes]
socially and emotionally inappropriate behavior
All-absorbing narrow interest (at least one of the following)
exclusion of other activities[Yes]
repetitive adherence
more rote than meaning
Imposition of routines and interests (at least one of the following)
on self, in aspects of life[Yes]
on others
Speech and language problems (at least three of the following)
delayed development
superficially perfect expressive language[Yes]
formal, pedantic language[Yes]
odd prosody, peculiar voice characteristics[Yes]
impairment of comprehension including misinterpretations of literal/implied meanings[Yes]
Non-verbal communication problems (at least one of the following)
limited use of gestures[Yes]
clumsy/gauche body language[Yes]
limited facial expression[Yes]
inappropriate expression
peculiar, stiff gaze[Yes]
Motor clumsiness: poor performance on neurodevelopmental examination[Yes]

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11 Jan 2013, 4:11 pm

Severe impairment in reciprocal social interaction (at least two of the following)

inability to interact with peers
lack of desire to interact with peers
lack of appreciation of social cues
socially and emotionally inappropriate behavior

All-absorbing narrow interest (at least one of the following)

exclusion of other activities
repetitive adherence
more rote than meaning

Imposition of routines and interests (at least one of the following)

on self, in aspects of life
on others

Speech and language problems (at least three of the following)

delayed development
superficially perfect expressive language
formal, pedantic language
odd prosody, peculiar voice characteristics
impairment of comprehension including misinterpretations of literal/implied meanings

Non-verbal communication problems (at least one of the following)

limited use of gestures
clumsy/gauche body language
limited facial expression
inappropriate expression
peculiar, stiff gaze

Motor clumsiness: poor performance on neurodevelopmental examination Yep

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11 Jan 2013, 4:56 pm

Severe impairment in reciprocal social interaction (at least two of the following)
inability to interact with peers---NO
lack of desire to interact with peers---YES
lack of appreciation of social cues---YES
socially and emotionally inappropriate behavior---YES

All-absorbing narrow interest (at least one of the following)
exclusion of other activities---YES
repetitive adherence---YES
more rote than meaning---YES (ESPECIALLY WHEN I WAS YOUNG)

Imposition of routines and interests (at least one of the following)
on self, in aspects of life---YES
on others---NO

Speech and language problems (at least three of the following)
delayed development---NO
superficially perfect expressive language---YES
formal, pedantic language---NO
odd prosody, peculiar voice characteristics---YES
impairment of comprehension including misinterpretations of literal/implied meanings---YES

Non-verbal communication problems (at least one of the following)
limited use of gestures---YES
clumsy/gauche body language---MAYBE?
limited facial expression---MAYBE?
inappropriate expression---MAYBE?
peculiar, stiff gaze---YES
Motor clumsiness: poor performance on neurodevelopmental examination---SOMETIMES

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11 Jan 2013, 5:26 pm

Based on my personal beliefs and previous assessment, I think I'd meet the required criteria for everything except, perhaps, motor clumsiness. I picked up most sports that required hand-eye coordination pretty well but I have issues handling smaller objects like Legos or model ship pieces. Not sure if that's sufficient.

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11 Jan 2013, 5:31 pm

I'm printing this out to show the doctor in a couple of weeks. I do, for the most part fit these criteria.

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11 Jan 2013, 11:21 pm

Mindsigh wrote:

I'm printing this out to show the doctor in a couple of weeks. I do, for the most part fit these criteria.

Something interesting:

I noted one lady at an AS clinic had a copy of such in her lap (on top of a folder) when "assessing" me. So, it appears it can be used in actual clinical practice, i.e., is this person displaying "clumsy/gauche" body language in front of me? Some, such as problems interacting with peers and whatnot won't be able to be determined (other than questions asked), but many can be.

There's probably lots of official information out there regarding such with a Google search.

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12 Jan 2013, 2:16 am

From what I've read on my google searches about an official diagnosis on my region, at least here it depends on the clinical centre and/or institution using the criteria. So, depending on what place you choose for your diagnosis, you have an indirect "choice" of the criteria. I'm not sure if one can just say "I want to be tested with the *insert criteria here* criteria!" though.
Here, the most common are:
DSM-IV (I predict a 2 year delay until DSM-V just like almost every other time here in Germany), ICD 10, Gillberg and Szatmari.

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