Why do yall refer to others with nuero problems as NT?

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13 Jan 2013, 5:59 am

Why do a lot of you refer to everyone who isn't an aspie as being NT? I've seen many posts refering to others with bi-polar disorder, adhd, social anxiety, ocd, Dyslexia as nuero typicals. One post I remember said "well maybe your just a NeuroTypical with ADHD". How are people with ADHD neuro typicals? How can you be a nuero typical when you have conditions like bi-polar disorder, borderline personality disorder or tourettes.? Those are not things neurotypicals develop.



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13 Jan 2013, 6:09 am

In my opinion, many of these are not NT (dyslexia, ADHD, schizophrenia) but some problems do not represent neurodiversity so much, I think.

Other people have different definitions. Some want only autistics to be neuroatypical, but I think that it's not very diverse to have two categories of brains.



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13 Jan 2013, 6:11 am

NT originally just means, that someone is NOT on the autistic spectrum.

But some use it in the way, that they have no disorder at all.

So, it differs a bit on how you use and understand the term.


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13 Jan 2013, 6:12 am

Raziel wrote:
NT originally just means, that someone is NOT on the autistic spectrum.
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Yeah. It was coined as a word to refer to those people who don't have any form of autism.


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13 Jan 2013, 6:13 am

There is something of a movement to use the term 'allistic' to refer to those without an ASD and 'Neurotypical' to refer to those without any Neurological differences.

Which does make sense. I think most people mean NT as, not autistic. But I don't know for sure. *shrugs*

Also, there's the fact that a person who does not have an ASD will probably exhibit the things you mentioned differently to a person who does - because of the whole pervasive part of PDD. So a distinction should be made.



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13 Jan 2013, 6:16 am

It did originally mean that, but outside of Wrong Planet, people with ADHD, dyslexia, and other conditions do refer to themselves as neuroatypical and people without such conditions (as well as autism) as NT. Knowing how these other disorders work, I think it is a stretch to refer to them as "neurotypical."



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13 Jan 2013, 6:31 am

I thought NT meant anyone who didn't have a neurological based disorder. Dictionary definition wise it seems wrong to exclude other neurological based disorders.

My uncle with Epilepsy is not neurologically typical by a long shot.



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13 Jan 2013, 6:43 am

People with bipolar are certainly not NT. I like the definition of NT as someone without a neurological disorder. I kind of see it as having an typically developed brain. There are differences in brain development in autism, ADHD, dylsexia, bipolar and I even think schizophrenia. I sometimes refer to NT as TDP (typically developing persons).

I don't know about epilepsy, although I've had some major personality changes from seizures and the fact I have seizures at all means I have overactive neurotransmitters.

I think some people see NT as the socially outgoing person, and some people without autism but with a neurological disorder can be outgoing too. That was my old definition at least.

People with synaesthesia must also be non-NT.


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13 Jan 2013, 6:52 am

Just grouping of similar people.

NT is generally people who aren't born with "autistic thinking". It's an ASD groupie thingy.

Which is kinda silly though, as I don't see many people with an ASD thinking like me; most I see think like everyone else.



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13 Jan 2013, 7:08 am

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People with bipolar are certainly not NT. I like the definition of NT as someone without a neurological disorder. I kind of see it as having an typically developed brain. There are differences in brain development in autism, ADHD, dylsexia, bipolar and I even think schizophrenia. I sometimes refer to NT as TDP (typically developing persons).

I don't know about epilepsy, although I've had some major personality changes from seizures and the fact I have seizures at all means I have overactive neurotransmitters.

I think some people see NT as the socially outgoing person, and some people without autism but with a neurological disorder can be outgoing too. That was my old definition at least.

People with synaesthesia must also be non-NT.


I agree.
Just the thing is that a lot of ppl with ASD are just used to the fact to refer to unautistic ppl as NTs.

But if you see it in a wide sence, than many ppl aren't NTs.


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13 Jan 2013, 2:48 pm

CrashBandicoot wrote:
Why do a lot of you refer to everyone who isn't an aspie as being NT?

I don't do that, and it confused me at first, too. Aren't autistic people supposed to be literal-minded? :lol:


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17 Jan 2013, 1:21 am

Verdandi wrote:
It did originally mean that, but outside of Wrong Planet, people with ADHD, dyslexia, and other conditions do refer to themselves as neuroatypical and people without such conditions (as well as autism) as NT. Knowing how these other disorders work, I think it is a stretch to refer to them as "neurotypical."



They do? Most people I speak to on the social anxiety forums and ADHD forums consider their brain chemistry to be significantly different from a normal persons. I certainly don't, infact I feel very uncomfortable labling myself as neuroptypical in the options during registeration.



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17 Jan 2013, 1:26 am

People with Attention Deficit Hyperactivity Disorder, Schizophrenia (there's no way that they are neurotypical), Bipolar Disorder, Personality Disorders, Multiple Personality Disorder, Oppositianal Defiant Disorder, Intellectual Disabilities, Down's Syndrome, Cerebral Palsy (this can be a physical or a mental disability), learning disabilities, Short Term Memory Loss, Blindness, Deafness, Tourette's Syndrome, Obsessive Compulsive Disorder or any other kind of disability are in no way 'neurotypical'. People with Autism or with Asperger's Syndrome just prefer to refer to non-Autistic people as 'neurotypical'. I have Attention Deficit Hyperactivity Disorder, and I am in no way neurotypical. It often can mean (depending on the person) a person who just isn't on the Autistic spectrum.



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17 Jan 2013, 8:16 am

I've never called someone in particular "neurotypical".
When I say "neurotypical" I think of someone who's considered "normal" by society.
To be accurate, NT=person that in considered "normal" by society's standards, not a cathegory of people whose brains are identical, even because everyone's brain is supposed to work differently, everyone have their quirks and issues, may they be social, behavioural, emotional, etc. But they will always be seen as "normal" according to society standards, and one can't say that "only autistics are not NTs, people with ADHD, bipolarism, etc. are", because neither them will be seen as "normal" by society.
Adding to this that there are even "neurotypical" people that can't conform to society because of any reason, and they're not seen as "normal" by society's standards. But why they are considered NTs? Because they don't have the severe issues that are "typical" of neurodifferent people, like impaired social skills for autism, abnormal hyperactivity for ADHD, extreme mood swings from depression to mania for bipolarism, etc.
And then, "neurodiversity" is just a concept that depends from points of views. For me, is normal being myself, and is not normal being like other people are, so I could say that, from my point of view at last, I am the "typical" one and other people are the different ones.



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17 Jan 2013, 8:51 am

chlov wrote:
I've never called someone in particular "neurotypical".
When I say "neurotypical" I think of someone who's considered "normal" by society.
To be accurate, NT=person that in considered "normal" by society's standards, not a cathegory of people whose brains are identical, even because everyone's brain is supposed to work differently, everyone have their quirks and issues, may they be social, behavioural, emotional, etc. But they will always be seen as "normal" according to society standards, and one can't say that "only autistics are not NTs, people with ADHD, bipolarism, etc. are", because neither them will be seen as "normal" by society.
Adding to this that there are even "neurotypical" people that can't conform to society because of any reason, and they're not seen as "normal" by society's standards. But why they are considered NTs? Because they don't have the severe issues that are "typical" of neurodifferent people, like impaired social skills for autism, abnormal hyperactivity for ADHD, extreme mood swings from depression to mania for bipolarism, etc.
And then, "neurodiversity" is just a concept that depends from points of views. For me, is normal being myself, and is not normal being like other people are, so I could say that, from my point of view at last, I am the "typical" one and other people are the different ones.


It seems that I have always defined people as neurotypical or neuroatypical based on social terms.

I probably hsould have put more thought behind it, but have not. For example, I met a couple of highly socially successful people and said "gosh they are neurotypical!" in a rather exasperated manner. I do believe we are witnessing the evolution of a word, right here, right now.

Cool.



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17 Jan 2013, 12:32 pm

CrashBandicoot wrote:
Why do a lot of you refer to everyone who isn't an aspie as being NT? I've seen many posts refering to others with bi-polar disorder, adhd, social anxiety, ocd, Dyslexia as nuero typicals. One post I remember said "well maybe your just a NeuroTypical with ADHD". How are people with ADHD neuro typicals? How can you be a nuero typical when you have conditions like bi-polar disorder, borderline personality disorder or tourettes.? Those are not things neurotypicals develop.


I'm not one to think of the 1 percent of the population to be the only non-NTs. I know on here it seems to be a lot of AS vs NT, but I suppose it's just the way it is, but doesn't make it so. Like when I watched the film ''Cat's and Dogs'', where they were trying to see which animals ruled, cats or dogs, the film was just about cats and dogs (and also humans), and I suppose I could have thought ''but what about rabbits, chickens, bears, etc, etc, etc?''

But I know what you mean. It is frustrating when people define ''neurotypical'' as ''everyone but Aspie/Autistic people'', especially when you have met people with other developmental disabilities such as Mental Retardation and Down's Syndrome, where they could have more impairments and differences to the norm than you have as an Aspie, if you know what I mean. I've even known people with learning difficulties or ADHD to be socially awkward, but not in the same way as Aspies.


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