What is you general attitude towards humans?

Page 2 of 3 [ 44 posts ]  Go to page Previous  1, 2, 3  Next


Is your attitude towards humans (other people as well as yourself) in general/overall more positive or negative?
My attitude towards humans (other people as well as yourself) is in general/overall more positive than negative. 43%  43%  [ 32 ]
My attitude towards humans (other people as well as yourself) is in general/overall more negative than positive. 57%  57%  [ 42 ]
Total votes : 74

Einfari
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 22 Dec 2011
Age: 26
Gender: Female
Posts: 555

11 Mar 2013, 10:56 pm

Urist wrote:
I find it rather irritating that you decide there is no middle stance in this, and while logically I'd list apathy as a negative stance I'm actually quite idealistic, just disinterested. Overall, I like a few select people and can generally get on with people well enough in text but in physical interaction I just have no real interest in someone unless they share my interests or are in any kind of serious danger. Yet I'd say I think most people are generally pretty good and while I have no personal interest in them I don't hate them by any means. Sure you get people with Anti-Social Personality Disorder or who are just as*holes in general but they're very much a loud minority and most people are just inoffensive.


^This

I have a neutral stance when it comes to people in general. I enjoy being around people, and have found quite a few that I actually can talk to and get along with. I've also met a lot of selfish idiots. Some of these were once friends who turned out to be as*holes, wile others are just stupid, annoying people that I see once in a while.



Jaden
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 12 May 2012
Gender: Male
Posts: 1,867

12 Mar 2013, 6:08 am

My thoughts on people in general are this:

They're rash, they make very very stupid decisions regarding how to handle other people.
They tend to fight more often than not, especially the governmental bodies that represent these same people.
They demonize anything and anyone that's not like them in even the slightest way.
They demonize people whom they deem to be unworthy of respect, which tends to be, more often than not, the minority.
They would rather believe full lies as apposed to the blind faced truth, and use said full lies as fact when acting against other people (spreading lies about said person for example).
Many of them these days, condemn religion in any form, saying that it's dangerous to society (which is highly debatable and can't honestly be proven), all the while spreading their own religion (yes, even aetheism is still a religion because it's simply a set of beliefs like all other religions) as fact and contridict themselves by not providing the "proof" they are demanding those who believe in a God, to give (in their case proving that God doesn't exist).
They like to argue about everything, regardless of real facts.
They're quick to judge, and slow to change.
They think they're superior in some way to each other, and especially to minorities.
They want change in the world, but they fail to realize that change starts with them and what they teach their kids/what they say in public to other people/etc.
They're largely immature and it shows in spades.
People like to say that society is englightened, but the overall evidence points to the opposite.

All in all, when I sit back and listen, I mean really listen, to what's going on in the world, I always shake my head in disappointment that the human race is still this stupid.
From my perspective, it's like being in a room full of 4 and 5 year olds that are screaming and yelling, and arguing over toys. And when I hear about people fighting with their militant forces, it makes me think that society hasn't changed since the dark ages.

So needless to say, I don't like people much. I can get along with a few people, but overall, I can't stand society.


_________________
Writer. Author.


Callista
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 3 Feb 2006
Age: 37
Gender: Female
Posts: 10,775
Location: Ohio, USA

12 Mar 2013, 6:23 am

Humans are fascinating. You need an option for "intrigued curiosity".

With all the lumps we've taken, though, it's no surprise to me that so many people answered "negative". After a while, you get the optimism beaten out of you.


_________________
Reports from a Resident Alien:
http://chaoticidealism.livejournal.com

Autism Memorial:
http://autism-memorial.livejournal.com


hyperlexian
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 21 Jul 2010
Age: 48
Gender: Female
Posts: 22,023
Location: with bucephalus

12 Mar 2013, 6:48 am

qawer wrote:
I think this is a huge determining factor for happiness. If you basically don't like humans it's hard to be truly happy.

It's really a matter of accepting that humans are living creatures, which does include them sometimes or even often being,

Quote:
short sighted, arrogant, aggressive, destructive and inconsiderate


and

Quote:
manipulative, selfish and apathetic

actually, i kind of agree with this. my experiences with people have often been horrible, but i don't have a negative outlook as a result of it. i kind of see humanness as essentially imperfect (or at least perfect in its mess of problems), and i don't allow that to get in the way of my relatively positive view of my fellow humans.


_________________
on a break, so if you need assistance please contact another moderator from this list:
http://www.wrongplanet.net/postt237032.html


Biscuitman
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 11 Mar 2013
Age: 41
Gender: Male
Posts: 2,219
Location: Dunking jammy dodgers

12 Mar 2013, 6:55 am

Callista wrote:
Humans are fascinating. You need an option for "intrigued curiosity".


i am with this. My view on people is quite positive but mainly just fascination.



qawer
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 26 Feb 2012
Gender: Male
Posts: 1,252

12 Mar 2013, 7:12 am

Personally I've found that the less autistic I think, the more accepting will I be about people and the world in general.

I think that's why autistics often have to battle depression - because they have a difficult time accepting humans.

It may, however, be rather difficult to think completely non-autistic when you are not. It's a matter of only thinking about own needs, and only think about others' needs if it affects your own needs. Extreme self-interest is the happiness potion in life.


Currently the poll confirms my expectations.



hyperlexian
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 21 Jul 2010
Age: 48
Gender: Female
Posts: 22,023
Location: with bucephalus

12 Mar 2013, 7:21 am

qawer wrote:
Personally I've found that the less autistic I think, the more accepting will I be about people and the world in general.

I think that's why autistics often have to battle depression - because they have a difficult time accepting humans.

It may, however, be rather difficult to think completely non-autistic when you are not. It's a matter of only thinking about own needs, and only think about others' needs if it affects your own needs. Extreme self-interest is the happiness potion in life.


Currently the poll confirms my expectations.

i believe my thinking is pretty autistic, but that doesn't make me unable or unwilling to accept other humans. you may find similar results of any internet forum, not just this one.

i am not sure what you mean about self-interest being a "happiness potion", because when i help others without expectation of reward, that does more for me than when i am out to serve myself. i think that altruism breeds happiness, not the reverse.


_________________
on a break, so if you need assistance please contact another moderator from this list:
http://www.wrongplanet.net/postt237032.html


qawer
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 26 Feb 2012
Gender: Male
Posts: 1,252

12 Mar 2013, 7:43 am

hyperlexian wrote:

i am not sure what you mean about self-interest being a "happiness potion", because when i help others without expectation of reward, that does more for me than when i am out to serve myself. i think that altruism breeds happiness, not the reverse.


If it didn't make you more happy to help people, you wouldn't do it. Your reward is becoming more happy. In the end you actually help them to your own benefit - not because they need help. That's what I mean by self-interest.

That's a basic fact one has to accept - healthy individuals act only on self-interest, not for the sake of others.


Btw.: I like that you like to help others. I feel the same way myself.



hyperlexian
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 21 Jul 2010
Age: 48
Gender: Female
Posts: 22,023
Location: with bucephalus

12 Mar 2013, 7:47 am

qawer wrote:
hyperlexian wrote:

i am not sure what you mean about self-interest being a "happiness potion", because when i help others without expectation of reward, that does more for me than when i am out to serve myself. i think that altruism breeds happiness, not the reverse.


If it didn't make you more happy to help people, you wouldn't do it. Your reward is becoming more happy. In the end you actually help them to your own benefit - not because they need help. That's what I mean by self-interest.

That's a basic fact one has to accept - healthy individuals act only on self-interest, not for the sake of others.

no, you are incorrect. sometimes it doesn't make me happy, it might in fact cause me discomfort to do things for others. for example in the case of "doing the right thing". i might act as i believe i should as it will help other people, but it might not make me happy at all (i.e. attending a wedding that causes me social anxiety but makes other people happy). i know that logically it is the right thing to do but i do not get a good feeling from doing it. i am doing it because it makes someone else happy.

it is not a basic fact that you are stating - it is your opinion.


_________________
on a break, so if you need assistance please contact another moderator from this list:
http://www.wrongplanet.net/postt237032.html


qawer
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 26 Feb 2012
Gender: Male
Posts: 1,252

12 Mar 2013, 8:01 am

hyperlexian wrote:
qawer wrote:
hyperlexian wrote:

i am not sure what you mean about self-interest being a "happiness potion", because when i help others without expectation of reward, that does more for me than when i am out to serve myself. i think that altruism breeds happiness, not the reverse.


If it didn't make you more happy to help people, you wouldn't do it. Your reward is becoming more happy. In the end you actually help them to your own benefit - not because they need help. That's what I mean by self-interest.

That's a basic fact one has to accept - healthy individuals act only on self-interest, not for the sake of others.

no, you are incorrect. sometimes it doesn't make me happy, it might in fact cause me discomfort to do things for others. for example in the case of "doing the right thing". i might act as i believe i should as it will help other people, but it might not make me happy at all (i.e. attending a wedding that causes me social anxiety but makes other people happy). i know that logically it is the right thing to do but i do not get a good feeling from doing it. i am doing it because it makes someone else happy.

it is not a basic fact that you are stating - it is your opinion.


You're right, it's only my opinion :wink:

But if it doesn't make you happy to attend that wedding you shouldn't attend it. Unless not doing so would have even worse consequences for you (for instance losing contact with those other people who might mean a lot to you). I am not saying acting on self-interest automatically means you will only do things that make you happy. But you will always choose the better alternative.

My point is that the less you act on self-interest the more unhappy you will become. Not pursuing happiness is wrong. Hence, you should act on self-interest.



hyperlexian
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 21 Jul 2010
Age: 48
Gender: Female
Posts: 22,023
Location: with bucephalus

12 Mar 2013, 8:08 am

qawer wrote:
hyperlexian wrote:
qawer wrote:
hyperlexian wrote:

i am not sure what you mean about self-interest being a "happiness potion", because when i help others without expectation of reward, that does more for me than when i am out to serve myself. i think that altruism breeds happiness, not the reverse.


If it didn't make you more happy to help people, you wouldn't do it. Your reward is becoming more happy. In the end you actually help them to your own benefit - not because they need help. That's what I mean by self-interest.

That's a basic fact one has to accept - healthy individuals act only on self-interest, not for the sake of others.

no, you are incorrect. sometimes it doesn't make me happy, it might in fact cause me discomfort to do things for others. for example in the case of "doing the right thing". i might act as i believe i should as it will help other people, but it might not make me happy at all (i.e. attending a wedding that causes me social anxiety but makes other people happy). i know that logically it is the right thing to do but i do not get a good feeling from doing it. i am doing it because it makes someone else happy.

it is not a basic fact that you are stating - it is your opinion.


You're right, it's only my opinion :wink:

But if it doesn't make you happy to attend that wedding you shouldn't attend it. Unless not doing so would have even worse consequences for you (for instance losing contact with those other people who might mean a lot to you). I am not saying acting on self-interest automatically means you will only do things that make you happy. But you will always choose the better alternative.

My point is that the less you act on self-interest the more unhappy you will become. Not pursuing happiness is wrong. Hence, you should act on self-interest.

i am already happy so i don't need to be advised how to make the best choices for happiness. :)

the short-term discomfort of attending a wedding might help to cement social ties, which can lead to more happiness over the long term. or it might not - but that's not really the point. i am not thinking of those things. the point is that the event is important to someone i care about so i attend it. since it makes THEM happy, it's a good thing in and of itself.


_________________
on a break, so if you need assistance please contact another moderator from this list:
http://www.wrongplanet.net/postt237032.html


qawer
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 26 Feb 2012
Gender: Male
Posts: 1,252

12 Mar 2013, 8:16 am

hyperlexian wrote:
the point is that the event is important to someone i care about so i attend it. since it makes THEM happy, it's a good thing in and of itself.


That's why it's the right thing to do: because it's someone you care about. When their lives get better, your life gets better. If you didn't care about them, you wouldn't attend the wedding. Every healthy action boils down to self-interest.



hyperlexian
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 21 Jul 2010
Age: 48
Gender: Female
Posts: 22,023
Location: with bucephalus

12 Mar 2013, 8:19 am

qawer wrote:
hyperlexian wrote:
the point is that the event is important to someone i care about so i attend it. since it makes THEM happy, it's a good thing in and of itself.


That's why it's the right thing to do: because it's someone you care about. When their lives get better, your life gets better. If you didn't care about them, you wouldn't attend the wedding. Every healthy action boils down to self-interest.

no, not necessarily. if they are humans who are particularly self-centred or narcissistic, for example, then i could do all of the nice things in the world for them and it would not flow back to me. i am not doing it for a reward. that is how altruism works.

i understand that you might not be capable of being altruistic in that way, but that doesn't mean that everybody else is the same way. we are all different.


_________________
on a break, so if you need assistance please contact another moderator from this list:
http://www.wrongplanet.net/postt237032.html


chlov
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 6 Jan 2013
Gender: Female
Posts: 851
Location: My house

12 Mar 2013, 8:20 am

I am indifferent.



qawer
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 26 Feb 2012
Gender: Male
Posts: 1,252

12 Mar 2013, 8:23 am

hyperlexian wrote:
i understand that you might not be capable of being altruistic in that way, but that doesn't mean that everybody else is the same way. we are all different.


Actually I am. Probably because of my autistic side. It has back-fired on me a lot. I have helped people a lot and received nothing in return. Acting truly altruistic is a sign of mental illness. I have a hard time accepting it.



CoolWhipp
Butterfly
Butterfly

User avatar

Joined: 11 Mar 2013
Age: 29
Gender: Male
Posts: 15
Location: Australia

12 Mar 2013, 8:31 am

In being honest, I chose the negative attitude towards people/myself. This is something I'm trying to improve on; however, I just don't see enough effort being made by people in general.