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22 Mar 2013, 12:47 pm

I'm curious what the prevelance of Autism/Aspergers among siblings is? I've thought for a while now that I have Aspergers (HFA). Yesterday, my younger sister was diagnosed as on the Autism spectrum. Previous to this, I admit I hadn't even considered whether any of my siblings could be on the spectrum. Very short-sighted, I know. I mean, I always knew we were quirky and different, I just never put 2 and 2 together. And frankly, neither did anyone else!

I am the oldest of 5 (26). And now looking more broadly at my family, I think each of my three brothers and of course my now diagnosed sister, are on the spectrum. But, I admit, I'm sort of feeling as though that's an unlikely case given that there are five of us, just because of the probabilities involved.

Any insight into the probabilities among families is appreciated. I'll add, we have 15 first-cousins on my mother's side, 2 on my father's, and of them, only 1 cousin on my mother's side has known Autism, and his is more classic Autism. His three siblings have all been diagnosed ADHD though.



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22 Mar 2013, 12:57 pm

My two sons are on the spectrum with PDD-NOS. My younger son has it milder than my older son.



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22 Mar 2013, 1:00 pm

Yes there can be, but not in my family. I have 7 cousins on my mum's side and 9 cousins on my dad's side. One of them on my mum's side has learning difficulties but I doubt AS, might just be a little PDD-NOS or something but she's always been able to make friends better than I ever did and she was more socially accepted at school than I was, and I only have mild AS. The cousins on my dad's side are all true NTs, just one of them lacks self-esteem and is a little unconfident in himself but he still socially does better than me.

My brother is so weird, but not in an Aspie way, in fact I think he's too weird to be Aspie! He's not clever in anything, he's emotionally immature, he doesn't have much of a tone of voice, you can't have a proper conversation with him, and he's not hyperactive at all but he has this strange annoying way about him. He also SEVERELY lacks empathy and sympathy and I wonder how people can possibly want to even be with him. He also overeats, smokes way too much, lacks self-esteem even more than me, and doesn't even try to do anything with his life, just lives on anti-depressants and although he works full time he is not interested in cars or learning to drive and he can't get a girlfriend. He is 27. I think he has some sort of a personality disorder.

It seems though that in every family I have met who have at least one Autistic person, usually the siblings seem emotionally disturbed somehow, like they noticeably lack something or have some sort of quirky personality or seem extremely emotional or shy. I can't prove this because I haven't met many families with an Autistic person in, but I'm just saying.


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22 Mar 2013, 1:59 pm

I'm on the spectrum, but my brother isn't. And for the record, he's younger than me, and I have no other siblings. As far as I know, I'm probably the only person on either side of the family who has Aspergers, though there might be a slight possibility of one of my mom's sisters and her mom having it.



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22 Mar 2013, 2:04 pm

Two sons -- oldest one undiagnosed, and he had way fewer symptoms but the ones he had were more severe as a young child [now, he doesn't seem to have many at all]; youngest one diagnosed PDD-NOS, has way more symptoms, but most were less severe than our oldest, and yet it affects his life more.



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22 Mar 2013, 2:21 pm

I have AS , my youngest daughter has HFA and my eldest AS.

There is a lot of heritability with autism.

According to this the sibling rate is 18.7%:

http://ebmh.bmj.com/content/15/2/31.extract

If that's true then all I can say is that I was very unlucky to have both children on the spectrum.

Although here it confusingly says:

http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/748019

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There was a 2.8-fold increase in risk for male relative to female siblings (26.2% vs 9.1%) and an additional 2-fold increase in risk if there was more than 1 older affected sibling (13.5% of simplex vs 32.2% of multiplex families).


Also, the same genes are involved in schizophrenia and autism and my eldest sibling has schizophrenia.


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22 Mar 2013, 2:49 pm

Joe90 wrote:
My brother is so weird, but not in an Aspie way, in fact I think he's too weird to be Aspie! He's not clever in anything, he's emotionally immature, he doesn't have much of a tone of voice, you can't have a proper conversation with him, and he's not hyperactive at all but he has this strange annoying way about him. He also SEVERELY lacks empathy and sympathy and I wonder how people can possibly want to even be with him. He also overeats, smokes way too much, lacks self-esteem even more than me, and doesn't even try to do anything with his life, just lives on anti-depressants and although he works full time he is not interested in cars or learning to drive and he can't get a girlfriend. He is 27. I think he has some sort of a personality disorder.


I didn't think one of the criteria for AS was being clever at something. I thought being immature, monotone, inability to have a proper conversation, being annoying (lack of self control or problem with boundaries), dysfunction with showing or having empathy, OCD tendencies and low self esteem/motivation were all possible symptoms of AS.

So I guess your post is pretty confusing to me as far as a laying out AS symptoms as not being AS while on a (predominantly-AS) board.

Perhaps you are less affected by AS and he is more affected by it?



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22 Mar 2013, 3:00 pm

mikassyna wrote:
Joe90 wrote:
My brother is so weird, but not in an Aspie way, in fact I think he's too weird to be Aspie! He's not clever in anything, he's emotionally immature, he doesn't have much of a tone of voice, you can't have a proper conversation with him, and he's not hyperactive at all but he has this strange annoying way about him. He also SEVERELY lacks empathy and sympathy and I wonder how people can possibly want to even be with him. He also overeats, smokes way too much, lacks self-esteem even more than me, and doesn't even try to do anything with his life, just lives on anti-depressants and although he works full time he is not interested in cars or learning to drive and he can't get a girlfriend. He is 27. I think he has some sort of a personality disorder.


I didn't think one of the criteria for AS was being clever at something. I thought being immature, monotone, inability to have a proper conversation, being annoying (lack of self control or problem with boundaries), dysfunction with showing or having empathy, OCD tendencies and low self esteem/motivation were all possible symptoms of AS.

So I guess your post is pretty confusing to me as far as a laying out AS symptoms as not being AS while on a (predominantly-AS) board.

Perhaps you are less affected by AS and he is more affected by it?


https://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&q=ca ... utUIyq9CMQ

quite a few researchers believe that fluid intelligence is usually found in people with aspergers .. just saying ..!
plus I don't like the list of negative traits above ! where's all the good stuff?



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22 Mar 2013, 4:38 pm

I was the first in my family to figure out my diagnosis about 6 months ago. I've since read a few books and learned a lot about it. I now see it in all of my siblings (twin brother, older brother, younger sister) as well as my mother, all of her siblings, their children & their children's children, our grandmother on down.. every single one of us with varying traits and severities of them. About 20 people and counting. I'm not just talking about one or two traits in each, I'm talking about a dozen+ and very unique ASD traits and life stories that all fit the ASD mould. I also know a few other undiagnosed families that are not related to me, as now the signs/symptoms are obvious to me, and it makes sense why I've gotten along as friends with some of these people... birds of a feather flock together.

From my personal experience & the number of people in my extended family who will slowly but surely one by one all get diagnosed (if they accept it in themselves, that's the hard part for many I believe.) it definitely runs in family genetics.


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22 Mar 2013, 5:44 pm

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Perhaps you are less affected by AS and he is more affected by it?


I wish! :)

I have met a lot of ''borderline Aspies'' in my life, but all of them seemed to be better at making friends than I ever was. I seem to just be more of a typical Aspie, unfortunately. I am only mild, and I feel mild too, being so I have the ability to recognise body language, facial expressions and tone of voice, from instinct, and I've never really faced any issues with this sort of thing. Also I can generally recognise jokes and other people's emotions, the list goes on. But having that ability still doesn't help me in making friends, so those of you who don't recognise all these non-verbal social cues and think it is why you can't make/keep friends, it isn't all true, although some of it might be.


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22 Mar 2013, 7:12 pm

My younger sister has some aspie traits, but nothing severe enough to need a diagnosis (or so everyone says, but I might disagree). My Dad is rather withdrawn and antisocial, possibly aspie, but has learned to function well enough. His brother, however, has it pretty severely, as well as a possible dash of schizophrenia. Everyone on my dad's side of the family has traits, but only a handful have any sort of diagnosis.



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22 Mar 2013, 9:09 pm

My younger sister is as NT as they come.


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22 Mar 2013, 11:06 pm

ker08 wrote:
I'm curious what the prevelance of Autism/Aspergers among siblings is? I've thought for a while now that I have Aspergers (HFA). Yesterday, my younger sister was diagnosed as on the Autism spectrum. Previous to this, I admit I hadn't even considered whether any of my siblings could be on the spectrum. Very short-sighted, I know. I mean, I always knew we were quirky and different, I just never put 2 and 2 together. And frankly, neither did anyone else!

I am the oldest of 5 (26). And now looking more broadly at my family, I think each of my three brothers and of course my now diagnosed sister, are on the spectrum. But, I admit, I'm sort of feeling as though that's an unlikely case given that there are five of us, just because of the probabilities involved.

Any insight into the probabilities among families is appreciated. I'll add, we have 15 first-cousins on my mother's side, 2 on my father's, and of them, only 1 cousin on my mother's side has known Autism, and his is more classic Autism. His three siblings have all been diagnosed ADHD though.


One (possibly) out of 8 others. Some of them have other stuff, though. I really think HFA is closely related to other mental disorders. My BIpolar I brother and I have a lot in common, even though he's probably not ASD. My sister likely has something like Schizoid PD; she's a gorgeous girl and has never dated at age 25. None of them were autistic as a child like I was, so when I suggested it to my parents, they were in extreme denial.



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22 Mar 2013, 11:36 pm

I have 7 cousins and 2 1/2 brothers yet i'm the only aspie, my 1/2 brothers actually had a much higher genetic chance then I did I think as autism is on moms aswell however there as NT as can be.



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22 Mar 2013, 11:54 pm

I have mild Asperger's syndrome, while my sister has low functioning Autism, two or three of my cousins are autistic (moderate to high), and my family thinks my dad has high functioning Autism. Oh and everyone on my mom's side of the family has bipolar disorder; my brother has bipolar disorder too.

I hope that answered your question.



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23 Mar 2013, 11:02 pm

Even though my brother has a sky high IQ with no "common sense" and works in an Aspie haven, he couldn't be more different than me if he tried. I originally thought HE had Aspergers until I investigated and read my own autobiography once I found out what Aspergers really is. My father has symptoms but as I can see nobody comes close to my Aspieness amongst the extended family.