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briankelley
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28 Mar 2013, 8:42 am

Back in the 70's I was pretty much diagnosed PDD-NOS. Never really heard "autism" as much and never heard asergers. I mainly just heard developmental disorder, perceptual problems, impaired social development, motor dysfunction. One time I heard autistic traits or autistic tendencies. It's not like they sat down with me personally and went over it with me like they did with my mom, who never elaborated too much. But I have some old records that pretty much said what I listed above.

In a nutshell, does anyone know the discernible difference (in any) between Aspergers and PDD-NOS? I have a hard time following all the technical DSM-IV jargon and codes, so I need the "For Dummies" version :)



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28 Mar 2013, 8:51 am

The story I got was that PDD-NOS was an acceptable maner to describe individuals who did'nt meet the (then) critera of "autism". It was also a lot easier to tell parents and patients "PDD-NOS", since it was vague.

I don't want to get dragged into the arguements with some posters that PDD-NOS is not AS is not HFA is not (insert whatever), since you'd be hard pressed to find two "experts" that agree on every single point.


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28 Mar 2013, 5:46 pm

AgentPalpatine wrote:
The story I got was that PDD-NOS was an acceptable maner to describe individuals who did'nt meet the (then) critera of "autism". It was also a lot easier to tell parents and patients "PDD-NOS", since it was vague.

I don't want to get dragged into the arguements with some posters that PDD-NOS is not AS is not HFA is not (insert whatever), since you'd be hard pressed to find two "experts" that agree on every single point.


So in other words it's convoluted and sketchy. That's the feeling I got and why I don't try wracking my brains over it too much.
Going through my records a little more, it seems I started out pdd-nos and then was "upgraded"(?) to asd.



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28 Mar 2013, 5:50 pm

I got PDD-NOS because my repetitive motions and activities had gotten mild as I got older. I was told I once met the criteria for a different PDD-NOS, likely met the criteria for Asperger's as a teenager, and currently am back to PDD-NOS.

Glad when the new manual comes out because this is just ridiculous.

PDD-NOS is the most common form of autism, by far, which means the diagnostic criteria are flawed.



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28 Mar 2013, 6:04 pm

Tyri0n wrote:
Glad when the new manual comes out because this is just ridiculous.


Then I'm glad I didn't spend too much time trying to figure out the old one :lol:

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PDD-NOS is the most common form of autism, by far, which means the diagnostic criteria are flawed.


Can't they just call it all autism and call autism a developmental disorder and leave it at that?

When I first started hearing about Aspergers on TV, like everyone else I thought they were saying "Ass Burgers" and had no idea it had anything to do with autism. Now at least it's "Ass Burgers a form of autism".

I just say, "I have autism" and leave it at that.



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28 Mar 2013, 6:58 pm

PDD-NOS is in the middle of the autism spectrum when it comes to diagnosis. It's not clear whatever you have a higher or lower functioning form of autism because there are few aspects of your personally that don't fit any of the criteria for a full blown diagnose of any autistic disorder.

(Have PDD-NOS)



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28 Mar 2013, 8:56 pm

autisticyoungadult wrote:
PDD-NOS is in the middle of the autism spectrum when it comes to diagnosis.


So it's: autistic - pdd-nos - aspergers?



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28 Mar 2013, 9:22 pm

briankelley wrote:
autisticyoungadult wrote:
PDD-NOS is in the middle of the autism spectrum when it comes to diagnosis.


So it's: autistic - pdd-nos - aspergers?



High functioning to low functioning:

Aspergers/HFA





PDD-NOS






Ratt Syndrome/classic autism



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28 Mar 2013, 9:27 pm

My son was Dx'd as PDD-NOS and he is very bright. He tested for Gifted and Talented and we are awaiting the results. He made extraordinary progress after intensive EI and is very high functioning.



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28 Mar 2013, 9:39 pm

PDD-NOS is not "in between autism and Asperger's". All it means it that the person with it clearly has some kind of autism, but doesn't fully mean the diagnostic criteria for one of the other ASDs.

Here's a good post on it. It has a section on how people may actually be able to meet the criteria for PDD-NOS:

http://ballastexistenz.wordpress.com/20 ... lly-means/


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28 Mar 2013, 9:43 pm

As of January 1 2013 PDD-NOS and Aspergers are a redundant diagnosis. It's like a black person discussing what kinds of racist names their ancestors used to be called when walking down the street.



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28 Mar 2013, 9:52 pm

Who_Am_I wrote:
PDD-NOS is not "in between autism and Asperger's". All it means it that the person with it clearly has some kind of autism, but doesn't fully mean the diagnostic criteria for one of the other ASDs.

Here's a good post on it. It has a section on how people may actually be able to meet the criteria for PDD-NOS:

http://ballastexistenz.wordpress.com/20 ... lly-means/



While it's not the definition of PDD, it's the closet you can get to the middle due to not having meet the requirments for the other autism spectrum disorders. At least in my opinion PDD can be label as the middle since you can find those that have the disorder can range from impaired to high functioning.



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28 Mar 2013, 10:36 pm

I have pddnos too. But I just say autism, cause it's easier to say.



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28 Mar 2013, 11:06 pm

Middle is B.S.

Typically, PDD-NOS falls into the following types (Sorry, I made them up)

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1. Asperger's phenotype: Asperger's but with mild repetitive behaviors and rituals. Usually reserved for those diagnosed when older adults. Probably met the criteria for Asperger's or even classic autism when younger.

2. Asperger's with language delay: May functions as a full aspie adult but had a language delay as a child. Or may have mild cognitive impairment.

3. Autism phenotype: Classic Autism/HFA but with mild repetitive behaviors and rituals.

4. NLD phenotype: Severe NLD to the point where an autism diagnosis is also possible on the basis of NLD impairments alone. May fit under #1. Read an optometry book that even documents some cases of NLD being severe to the point of #3/nonverbal.


All 4 CAN have high IQ. All but #4 can have gifted IQ also. But #2 and #3 can have cognitive impairment.



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28 Mar 2013, 11:24 pm

There is no "ranking". The system is actually quite a mess. There exist people with an Aspergers diagnosis who are lower functioning on all the criteria than others with HFA diagnosis. One thing I notice is people are more likely to get a PDD-NOS or HFA diagnosis as children. I got a PDD-NOS diagnosis at the age of 5, which was back in 1985. There was no official "Aspergers" label at the time but I probably would have gotten it if it did exist. According to more recent tests I had I'm at the extreme high functioning end of Aspergers, but have compounding issues nonetheless and will always feel like I am far from "normal", whatever that is.



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29 Mar 2013, 12:55 am

Tyri0n wrote:
Middle is B.S.

Typically, PDD-NOS falls into the following types (Sorry, I made them up)

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1. Asperger's phenotype: Asperger's but with mild repetitive behaviors and rituals. Usually reserved for those diagnosed when older adults. Probably met the criteria for Asperger's or even classic autism when younger.

2. Asperger's with language delay: May functions as a full aspie adult but had a language delay as a child. Or may have mild cognitive impairment.

3. Autism phenotype: Classic Autism/HFA but with mild repetitive behaviors and rituals.

4. NLD phenotype: Severe NLD to the point where an autism diagnosis is also possible on the basis of NLD impairments alone. May fit under #1. Read an optometry book that even documents some cases of NLD being severe to the point of #3/nonverbal.


All 4 CAN have high IQ. All but #4 can have gifted IQ also. But #2 and #3 can have cognitive impairment.


Study show the majority of those diagnosed with PDD-NOS are done so because they show severe cognitive problems, and would qualify for a diagnosis of intellectually disabled as well.

However this isn't true for all people diagnosed. It is a simply a catch all group for a wide range of people, some who are gifted and others who are far from gifted.