Asperger people are cats in a dog's world!

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08 May 2013, 4:54 pm

Viewing things this way has helped me so much understanding how I differ from "normal" people...

Asperger people have mentality similar to that of cats.

Neurotypical people have mentality similar to that of dogs.


One of the major differences between cats and dogs is their attitude toward the "pack". I found this informative:

ARE DOGS MORE FAITHFUL THAN CATS?

I'm proud to be a cat, it's just difficult in a world crowded with dogs.


Input and ideas on the subject would be interesting.



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08 May 2013, 4:58 pm

qawer wrote:
Viewing things this way has helped me so much understanding how I differ from "normal" people...

Asperger people have mentality similar to that of cats.

Neurotypical people have mentality similar to that of dogs.


One of the major differences between cats and dogs is their attitude toward the "pack". I found this informative:

ARE DOGS MORE FAITHFUL THAN CATS?



Input and ideas on the subject would be interesting.



I've often thought the same

I've never liked the blind obedience people demand from dogs; with cats it's a far more equal relationship as a cat does no one's bidding

Dogs seem to often be used as status symbols to intimidate others as well

People have a pack relationship with dogs with themself as master

I've often thought NTs are more likely to have dogs as pets than cats

Many of them seem to dislike cats

Dogs are probably more faithful but theyv'e been trained to be so and they have a larger brain

I don't need my cat to be obedient and faithful; she's a cat so it's not in her nature; I enjoy her for being how she is, with no need to dominate and control her

If a cat doesn't like how their owner is treating them they will go elsewhere and I say good on them!



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08 May 2013, 5:21 pm

nessa238 wrote:
If a cat doesn't like how their owner is treating them they will go elsewhere and I say good on them!


I agree. Cats stay around if they like your company, they leave if they don't. In that sense one could say their "pride" is more important to them that their survival (if staying in the pack is more beneficial to their survival than leaving is).

I also feel this way about NT people. If they love me, they love me because they consider me to be some part of their pack. It's difficult for me to truly perceive it as love!


Is it your impression that many NTs seem to dislike cats? I'm confused about this because many NTs seem to have a cat nevertheless. It would make great sense, though - the cats don't consider themselves a part of the pack, and NTs would likely consider that antisocial behaviour.



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08 May 2013, 5:31 pm

qawer wrote:
nessa238 wrote:
If a cat doesn't like how their owner is treating them they will go elsewhere and I say good on them!


I agree. Cats stay around if they like your company, they leave if they don't. In that sense one could say their "pride" is more important to them that their survival (if staying in the pack is more beneficial to their survival than leaving is).

I also feel this way about NT people. If they love me, they love me because they consider me to be some part of their pack. It's difficult for me to truly perceive it as love!


Is it your impression that many NTs seem to dislike cats? I'm confused about this because many NTs seem to have a cat nevertheless. It would make great sense, though - the cats don't consider themselves a part of the pack, and NTs would likely consider that antisocial behaviour.


Intelligent NTs like cats - that's how I would put it

Stupid ones like dangerous dogs that end up savaging the nearest child or someone else's cat or dog

It's all about who's leader of the pack for this type of person

If they don't have a dangerous dog they'll have a samauri sword on the wall :roll:



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08 May 2013, 5:51 pm

Meh. I'd rather be a dog--cats have never been my thing.



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08 May 2013, 6:14 pm

I like both dogs and cats, but the best friend I ever had was a dog who's no longer alive. I connected with that dog better than with any human. Maybe this has something to do with what Temple Grandin says about the potential to understand the animal's mind better than a human's?

Dogs are easier to have friendly exchanges with, even if they don't know you. Cats are far more distant. For someone who has trouble connecting with other humans, a friendly encounter/[momentary] connection with a dog is refreshing.

As for cats being more independent, I also grew up with a cat who lived 'til she was 15. When I was older, the rare times I was away from home for a few days, my family said she'd wander the house trying to find me. She also learned to jump up on a hallway shelf and reach over TO TURN MY DOORKNOB and let herself into my room.

I'm saying all this because just as "if you know one person who's autistic, you know ONE person who's autistic" (and there's so many differences between people on the spectrum), animals can vary from what you may think is the norm for them...and so do people.

I'm not saying this to shatter the "general rule" this thread is about. It's likely true. I'm just saying we want to be aware there aren't any hard and fast rules.


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08 May 2013, 6:19 pm

Sethno wrote:
I like both dogs and cats, but the best friend I ever had was a dog who's no longer alive. I connected with that dog better than with any human. Maybe this has something to do with what Temple Grandin says about the potential to understand the animal's mind better than a human's?

Dog's are easier to have friendly exchanges with, even if they don't know you. Cats are far more distant. For someone who has trouble connecting with other humans, a friendly connection with a dog is refreshing.

As for cats being more independent, I also grew up with a cat who lived 'til she was 15. When I was older, the rare times I was away from home for a few days, my family said she'd wander the house trying to find me. She also learned to jump up on a hallway shelf and reach over TO TURN MY DOORKNOB and let herself into my room.

I'm saying all this because just as "if you know one person who's autistic, you know ONE person who's autistic" (and there's so many differences between people on the spectrum), animals can vary from what you may think is the norm for them...and so do people.

I'm not saying this to shatter the "general rule" this thread is about. It's likely true. I'm just saying we want to be aware there aren't any hard and fast rules.


My cat follows me everywhere and talks to me (in her own language) so she's certainly not distant

She's independent from the point of view of being free to leave at any time if she chooses to

She has soft fur that is cuddly and soft

dog fur is wiry and not fluffy and doesn't smell nice like a cats

I do not feel I'd want to hug a dog at all; they are far less aesthetically pleasing than cats imo; more for action
than looking at

In fact this is something I just don't get about NTs - they seem to want people to look as attractive as possible and yet have some of the most ugly animals as pets I've ever seen!

Staffordshire bulldogs are horrible looking things! Why does the NT acute sense of aesthetics not extend to dogs as well??



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08 May 2013, 6:55 pm

I read "All cats have asperger's" and I definitely recognise myself in that one. (I also recognised the concentration problems in"All dogs have ADHD")

Speaking of the actual animal, I've never liked cats at all, but I really like dogs.
I love turtles more than any other animal though,


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08 May 2013, 7:09 pm

cats were my only friends when i was a kid. the only ones to accept me and understand me and give me the unconditional love I needed. also they were not taking advantage or me or trying to hurt me.

I have a 2 years old cat now, after many years without a feline companionship, and I really see how similar we are... how we can be disturbed by loud noises and don't want to play "games".

they are perfect friends for Aspies I think.



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08 May 2013, 7:44 pm

There's a cat that lives with me. Her name is Missy. She has a real bad habit that makes my heart leap into my throat. When I go to the store or restaurant I have to cross the street. They're relatively busy streets. Missy sometimes, out of the blue, darts right past me as I'm crossing. Oy! It makes me nervous. She pays no attention to oncoming traffic. I like that she follows me around, but that's dangerous.



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08 May 2013, 7:57 pm

I can relate to cats the most because they tend to carry the same traits that I do. Cats, like me, tend to want things in a certain way (like how they want to be fed) and cannot tolerate loud noises. I also noticed that they like to do the same thing over and over.

My cat and I have a lot in common. Aside from the above, we both also like to have our alone time. However, there are times that she does like to sit on my lap from time to time.


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08 May 2013, 8:05 pm

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Cats, like me, tend to want things in a certain way (like how they want to be fed) and cannot tolerate loud noises. I also noticed that they like to do the same thing over and over.

There are dogs too (like collies) who can be very particular about their food, and many dogs are afraid of loud noises like shooting, fireworks and thunder. My dog was even afraid when people hiccuped or sneezed.


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08 May 2013, 8:09 pm

I had a dog when a kid and it saved my life in a Lassie type of way. Six months later someone forced him to be put down as they considered him dangerous ( as he was a police officer his word mattered )

I have a parrot now . Some of the noises she makes though I think she dose to wind me up as she stares at me while she is doing them. The only reason I got a parrot is that I just can not deal with it when animals die , so got something that could out live me .She is like a best friend to me .I'm guessing all best friend make you want to scream some times.

I know what you mean about cat's though . When they are interested , they are interested , When they are not they just wonder off . A lot like me :)



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08 May 2013, 8:19 pm

I like the metaphor, OP. I also love cats. I Just don't take it too seriously. People with AS aren't actually "like" cats. Cats have social instincts that are normal for cats and well............... it just doesn't make sense to seriously (scientifically) compare a non-human species to a group of people with a developmental disorder of the human species. Still, I like these threads because in terms of superficial qualities that we can observe cats resemble ASD people in many ways so it's a fun comparison. :)



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08 May 2013, 10:06 pm

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I had a dog when a kid and it saved my life in a Lassie type of way. Six months later someone forced him to be put down as they considered him dangerous ( as he was a police officer his word mattered )

OMG how dreadful! :cry: I'm so sorry you and your dog was put through sh** like that


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08 May 2013, 10:53 pm

Depends on the dog.

Heavily pack orientated, anxious and dominant types remind me of myself. Typical extroverted and highly empathetic types don't, but they're only one type of dog.