Sometimes i feel aspergers are better than normal people.

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21 Apr 2013, 7:29 am

I don't know about other aspies but as for my self i don't make fun of other people or even be disrespectful to any people for no good reason but i assume that most aspies are like that so i start thinking what if we are actually better person than those so called normal person.

At least we know that it's wrong to ridicule or insult others. I have been experiencing lots of awful insult from people that i know and even strangers from a barber that says don't blame my skills because you are ugly to an a**hole that knock me down at a soccer game and then laugh at me. Why would people do something like that to other people ?

So what do you think ? Do you agree that aspergers are at least morally better than normal people that don't have asperger syndrome ?

Btw sorry if this topic is exist before and my super bad grammar for i am not a native English speaker.



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21 Apr 2013, 7:55 am

Some people might criticize you for generalizing "aspies and NT's", but I understand what you mean and I tend to agree with you. Recently there was a thread about AS people being the same as non-AS people in bullying others and some people agreed with its OP. I'm still inclined to agree with you. Whether being good or bad people often depends on the perception/perspective. Because AS people tend not to be able to show their goodness in a conventional way, they are often misunderstood and regarded as "selfish" people.

Other than being better people, some AS people have certain good traits. But often the social issues destroy even those good traits. Overall, I think having AS in itself is not necessarily a bad thing, but people's misunderstanding us is the problem.

The only inherently negative things about having AS are such things as sensory issues, coordination problems etc. I myself cannot drive and that is a real problem.



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21 Apr 2013, 8:08 am

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Some people might criticize you for generalizing "aspies and NT's", but I understand what you mean and I tend to agree with you. Recently there was a thread about AS people being the same as non-AS people in bullying others and some people agreed with its OP. I'm still inclined to agree with you. Whether being good or bad people often depends on the perception/perspective. Because AS people tend not to be able to show their goodness in a conventional way, they are often misunderstood and regarded as "selfish" people.

Other than being better people, some AS people have certain good traits. But often the social issues destroy even those good traits. Overall, I think having AS in itself is not necessarily a bad thing, but people's misunderstanding us is the problem.

The only inherently negative things about having AS are such things as sensory issues, coordination problems etc. I myself cannot drive and that is a real problem.


Yeah that is exactly what i am thinking. People don't care if we have asperger and they will not be nice to us because of it instead they treat us like a freak and ridicule us for the fun of it. One of the worst moment in my life is when there is a girl in my class said that " beware of the quiet one " to her friend in front of me and i was like WTF ? why don't they just give me a break. What have i done to deserve this ? so sometimes i feel that i am much better than anybody else.



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21 Apr 2013, 8:10 am

People with AS can be cruel and can be bullies too. People with AS are not superior to typical people nor is it the other way around IMO.



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21 Apr 2013, 10:29 am

So it's just me ? maybe i am not normal after all.



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21 Apr 2013, 10:32 am

daydreamer84 wrote:
People with AS can be cruel and can be bullies too. People with AS are not superior to typical people nor is it the other way around IMO.


^this


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21 Apr 2013, 11:00 am

I am respectful and polite to everyone and I used to think that it was because of my ASD but now I think that it has to do with my inability to relate to the social order thing that allows me to treat people the same, ASD people are are often rude and impolite to everyone without regard to social order and that is what leads to trouble. The ones who use people to get what they want are direct bullies.



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21 Apr 2013, 11:48 am

Rito wrote:
At least we know that it's wrong to ridicule or insult others...
Do you agree that aspergers are at least morally better than normal people that don't have asperger syndrome ?
Actually, no. Most Aspies don’t know that.
Typical anthropology: The second-to-the-bottom rung on the social ladder is usually the most openly hateful and violent. Most of the time you don’t even know that you’re doing it. The ones at the top of that pecking order, although they are in a position to do more significant damage, are so far above the fray that they can do it casually, gracefully, without getting their hands dirty.
Like any oppressed group – if someone’s been at the bottom of the pecking order for most of his life, then suddenly find an easy victim who is lower than himself, the temptation to stomp is automatic and almost irresistible.
We’re all individuals. Some of us can rise above that basic, instinctive need to find a scape goat. We certainly have the motivation, having been the recipient so often. Still, I doubt that most of us can. I hate to admit that I think IQ and age are major factors. It’s hard to put all that philosophy together and use it in the real world. Also compassion and a nurturing instinct. There’s so many variables that you can’t really make a general rule.

Link: The Pecking Order



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21 Apr 2013, 11:50 am

Gaby76 wrote:
ASD people are are often rude and impolite to everyone without regard to social order and that is what leads to trouble. The ones who use people to get what they want are direct bullies.


I think what offends NTs about our behavior and not adhering to their social hierarchy is fundamentally different than intentionally setting out to harm someone.

But I agree with the OP. I also think there is a contingency of aspies who are trying to play neurotypical, so they start behaving like NTs (or how they think NTs behave). There's also another group of aspies who try to take on the "I'm better than other aspies" approach.

Still, a third group is very scared and worried, so they put on an exterior and use a bunch of theories to try to help them cope and comprehend. If another aspie criticizes the theory, they may attack or simply ignore...I find this rude, but I think they do it because otherwise their whole sense of self would collapse. It's kind of pitiful.

But on the whole, I do think AS are more ethical than NTs on an individual one-on-one basis.



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21 Apr 2013, 12:17 pm

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But on the whole, I do think AS are more ethical than NTs on an individual one-on-one basis.
I don’t think it’s that, either. It’s not good behavior due to philosophy and ethics, but due to a primal kind of ignorance. It’s more that we’re so guileless that we don’t think to attack. It doesn’t serve a rational, obvious purpose and it is so obviously dirty. Personally, I get no joy out of stomping on someone who is obviously defenseless when I see no direct benefit. I need to think really hard to see the survival value of being a bastard. And by then, the moment is lost.



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21 Apr 2013, 12:24 pm

Now would somebody please tell me if it's normal when some strangers being rude and say some very hurtful words to me. I am really depressed and don't know how to live my life anymore.

I really don't know why i should be alive just to be ridiculed by everybody. What have i done to deserve this ? I am really tired and want to just leave this crazy world.



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21 Apr 2013, 12:43 pm

Rito wrote:
Now would somebody please tell me if it's normal when some strangers being rude and say some very hurtful words to me.
I’m hesitant to use words like “normal” and “natural.” It is natural for a baby to poop in a diaper.
But eventually, somehow, most people figure it out and find a better way to manage such urges.
When it comes to crapping on other people, yes, it is normal and natural. That doesn’t make it acceptable.
Yes, those of us who don’t join the fun are abnormal.

The best I can figure is to find as many good people as I can, spend as much time with them as I can, avoid or ignore the jerks as much as I can.
And just know that it’s not my problem, but theirs.

(It’s like watching a bunch of baboons hitting each other and humping each other and hurling crap at each other all day, every day.
I feel like an alien anthropologist = No thanks, I think I’ll pass on this game, this time. Maybe later.)



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21 Apr 2013, 12:53 pm

Rito wrote:
Now would somebody please tell me if it's normal when some strangers being rude and say some very hurtful words to me.

Yes, for people with that kind of sickness, that is normal.

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I am really depressed and don't know how to live my life anymore.

Even if it takes a lifetime to make one true friend, you will still have done what millions of people have failed to accomplish.

Walk away from people who have something you do *not* want, and keep looking for the few who have, who offer or even yet seek what you *do* want in life. Or in different words: Choose your path for its destination and not by the depth of its rut.


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21 Apr 2013, 1:10 pm

Tahitiii wrote:
ezbzbfcg2 wrote:
But on the whole, I do think AS are more ethical than NTs on an individual one-on-one basis.
I don’t think it’s that, either. It’s not good behavior due to philosophy and ethics, but due to a primal kind of ignorance.


You really believe that?

I think many of us, after having experienced the discrimination and wrath of being outsiders and the NT group think, cannot, in good conscience, behave like those we detest. It would make us no better than them. You know how it feels, you don't like it when they behave that way, so how can you do the same? You'd be no better than them.

I think that's the thought process many with AS have, which is indeed philosophical ethics.

Plus I think many NTs have reserved ethics...almost like they pick and choose who they apply them to. And many may think nothing of their behavior toward us because it's justified in their group-think minds. Since those with AS tend to be free of that, and see how it operates, we ourselves can't participate in selective kindness the way they do.



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21 Apr 2013, 1:15 pm

ezbzbfcg2 wrote:
I think many of us, after having experienced the discrimination and wrath of being outsiders and the NT group think, cannot, in good conscience, behave like those we detest. It would make us no better than them. You know how it feels, you don't like it when they behave that way, so how can you do the same? You'd be no better than them.
I think that's the thought process many with AS have, which is indeed philosophical ethics.

I agree, but it’s not easy. It takes time, experience and a high IQ to see it that way.



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21 Apr 2013, 2:06 pm

AS means you have differently wired brain that is all. The personality has to develope too.