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27 Apr 2013, 2:58 pm

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What do you think? Is it useful? Is it accurate?



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27 Apr 2013, 3:01 pm

Would be nice if it included a third column for "AS + gifted"



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27 Apr 2013, 3:03 pm

There are two tables there - "Gifted" and "Asperger's." For the Asperger's side, the table should be called "Some Folks with Asperger's."



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27 Apr 2013, 3:08 pm

It's a checklist. Not every gifted child will have all the gifted traits. Not every child diagnosable with AS will have all the AS traits. The fact that it is a checklist means that no one is expected to have everything.

I have traits from both lists, and I hate when that sort of thing happens without any clear discussion of such things.



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27 Apr 2013, 3:33 pm

Verdandi wrote:
Would be nice if it included a third column for "AS + gifted"

Agree with this, they're not mutually exclusive.

To be honest, I'm not sure it is very useful. Aside from the first category, the "Gifted" column is the stereotypical neurotypical and the "Aspie" column is that stereotype inverted.



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27 Apr 2013, 4:00 pm

@Verdandi - Thanks for clearing that up.



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27 Apr 2013, 4:03 pm

In my case, it would be more helpful to have a "Half-Gifted v. Aspergers" column.


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27 Apr 2013, 4:19 pm

Well, it does fit my sister and I pretty well. Mys sister is gifted and I have an ASD (though my verbal IQ is 126). I have a couple of the traits in the "gifted" column. My sister has none of the ASD traits ....although surely some gifted kids without ASD might have some of them (they may not be coordinated, these things vary). Still, I think overall for people who aren't sure what the differences are between AS and giftedness, this explains it fairly well.

In fact, one of my relatives on my dad's side of the family who's a speech pathologist asked me what the differences were. Her two kids have genius level IQs (officially assessed) and they are a bit shy and quiet. The examples I used to explain differences between the two were some of the ones listed here. Her kids play sports very well. They are athletic and coordinated, her kids aren't rigid, her kids never had any steryotypies. Her kids have oddly big vocabularies which others might think of as pedantic but they don't sound stilted. They have normal prosody and don't have weird facial expressions or none at all. They take turns in conversations. They have friends. They probably pick up social cues....they don't make ridiculous social mistakes or ask inappropriate questions for kids their ages. They have intense academic interests but they have many academic and other interests and the intensity of their interests doesn't impede them in completing school assignments or house work or whatever else.

They are absolutely not mutually exclusive (some people with ASDs are gifted) but they are different. People who are gifted and have ASDs still have autistic traits that other gifted kids do not have.



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27 Apr 2013, 4:30 pm

It would be far more clarifying if there was a "Gifted + Asperger's syndrome" column, with the inclusion of an entailing description for the resemblances and discernible traits of gifted children with and without AS.



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27 Apr 2013, 4:30 pm

daydreamer84 wrote:
Well, it does fit my sister and I pretty well. Mys sister is gifted and I have an ASD (though my verbal IQ is 126). I have a couple of the traits in the "gifted" column. My sister has none of the ASD traits ....although surely some gifted kids without ASD might have some of them (they may not be coordinated, these things vary). Still, I think overall for people who aren't sure what the differences are between AS and giftedness, this explains it fairly well.


I think you are right. My biggest problem with this list is that it doesn't have a sensory issues category. It seems like that would be the most obvious way to distinguish between giftedness and AS.



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27 Apr 2013, 4:45 pm

starkid wrote:
I think you are right. My biggest problem with this list is that it doesn't have a sensory issues category. It seems like that would be the most obvious way to distinguish between giftedness and AS.


Not necessarily: http://www.sengifted.org/archives/artic ... the-gifted



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27 Apr 2013, 5:08 pm

There's probably one criteria I'm curious about: Gifted - Keenly aware that he/she is different from peers. Asperger's - Limited recognition of differences with peers.

I'm an aspie and I'm keenly aware that I am different than my peers. Painfully so, as a matter of fact. I have no connection with folks my age because I can't relate to what they've achieved (family, mortgage, 401(k), kids, house, etc).



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27 Apr 2013, 5:29 pm

redrobin62 wrote:
There's probably one criteria I'm curious about: Gifted - Keenly aware that he/she is different from peers. Asperger's - Limited recognition of differences with peers.

I'm an aspie and I'm keenly aware that I am different than my peers. Painfully so, as a matter of fact. I have no connection with folks my age because I can't relate to what they've achieved (family, mortgage, 401(k), kids, house, etc).


I think this can go many ways. I am gifted and have AS, and I was pretty oblivious to my differences from others. My default assumption tended to be that other people thought like me and held the same opinions and beliefs until they said otherwise. And then it took several occasions of having this expectation contradicted before I really started to question how people were different from me in other ways. This has been a problem for me until the year I was diagnosed, and I admit it is still an issue.



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27 Apr 2013, 5:35 pm

Aspergers is for when you suck at life, gifted is for when you don't.



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27 Apr 2013, 5:47 pm

I am gifted and AS. It would be helpful if there were a gifted AND AS column, though I do have more traits in the AS column. One thing I noticed in gifted classes is that the other students were socially talented. Many were very popular. I, however, did not even fit I with the gifted students. A friend of mine is also gifted. She is quirky and intelligent but she has good social skills.


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27 Apr 2013, 6:22 pm

Random42 wrote:
I am gifted and AS. It would be helpful if there were a gifted AND AS column, though I do have more traits in the AS column. One thing I noticed in gifted classes is that the other students were socially talented. Many were very popular. I, however, did not even fit I with the gifted students. A friend of mine is also gifted. She is quirky and intelligent but she has good social skills.


Yeah, a lot of the kids in the gifted program at my elementary school and middle school were popular and social -they had large groups of friends and were sort of friends with everyone. Most of the kids in the program were very socially skilled and had friends. There were a couple awkward, shy ones though. There were quirky ones but the ones that were quirky (I'm thinking more of middle school now) were cool quirky not awkward and off-putting quirky.