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Would your intellect over rule your intuition?
YES! 82%  82%  [ 40 ]
NO! 18%  18%  [ 9 ]
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12 Jun 2013, 4:43 pm

I do not trust my intuition. I need propositions to be verified by premises articulated by a third party (third person perspective ).
Suppose, a person said,"that was weird what you said " (or did,like sticking your tongue out). However, deep down you know you never did such a thing. Would your intuition be over ruled?
Would you feel paranoid about something that never happened?


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12 Jun 2013, 4:44 pm

wittgenstein wrote:
I do not trust my intuition. I need propositions to be verified by premises articulated by a third party (third person perspective ).
Suppose, a person said,"that was weird what you said " (or did,like sticking your tongue out). However, deep down you know you never did such a thing. Would your intuition be over ruled?
Would you feel paranoid about something that never happened?


Could you give a different example? I'm not entirely sure I'm following the example in your OP.


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12 Jun 2013, 5:04 pm

Suppose that after a social encounter you feel (intuition ) calm and convinced that everything went really well. Unfortunately, a person says to you," Man! What you said was really weird!"
Would you immediately believe that something you know deep down never happened actually did happen?
I have finally learned (54 years) that people say the damnedest things, without any correspondence to reality!


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12 Jun 2013, 5:17 pm

I get lectured every so often for the things I've said. To me, my words seem appropriate, but I guess to others it's not. I understand it's a verbal communication deficit inherit in the definition of Autism. I may not like the criticisms, but I just accept it and move on.



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12 Jun 2013, 5:28 pm

wittgenstein wrote:
Suppose that after a social encounter you feel (intuition ) calm and convinced that everything went really well. Unfortunately, a person says to you," Man! What you said was really weird!"
Would you immediately believe that something you know deep down never happened actually did happen?
I have finally learned (54 years) that people say the damnedest things, without any correspondence to reality!


Ehhhhh....in that case, I would have to say that external feedback may be more valid than my understanding. Other people say things that bear no relation to reality, but us humans are capable of great self-deceptions.


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12 Jun 2013, 5:30 pm

The poll is so extreme. I don't think too many people could give a definite yes or no. I can't. I'm not even sure I have a significant preference. Maybe it's a 60:40 split? My thought processes and decisions involve a lot of cognitive dissonance between what I know and what I feel. I make emotional decisions more often than not but I don't think too many people are 100% unreasonable. Who could possibly answer the poll question with a definitive yes or no? Maybe you should have a scale? I'm going to vote "No" anyway but that's very misleading.



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12 Jun 2013, 5:46 pm

redrobin62 wrote:
I get lectured every so often for the things I've said. To me, my words seem appropriate, but I guess to others it's not. I understand it's a verbal communication deficit inherit in the definition of Autism. I may not like the criticisms, but I just accept it and move on.

I suppose that total and spontaneous honesty is socially inappropriate. But that makes us better then them :D!


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12 Jun 2013, 6:35 pm

wittgenstein wrote:
redrobin62 wrote:
I get lectured every so often for the things I've said. To me, my words seem appropriate, but I guess to others it's not. I understand it's a verbal communication deficit inherit in the definition of Autism. I may not like the criticisms, but I just accept it and move on.

I suppose that total and spontaneous honesty is socially inappropriate. But that makes us better then them :D!


Maybe not better, but a refreshing change sometimes... :geek:



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12 Jun 2013, 6:39 pm

I have to think! Many of the subconcious processes that NTs appear to possess are done consciously by me. If I didn't think a lot, I'd really be screwed.


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12 Jun 2013, 6:49 pm

redrobin62 wrote:
I get lectured every so often for the things I've said. To me, my words seem appropriate, but I guess to others it's not. I understand it's a verbal communication deficit inherit in the definition of Autism. I may not like the criticisms, but I just accept it and move on.

    You've said this before, that people say you say inappropriate words.
    What does that mean? Do you spontaneously 'swear like a sailor', or, say things like 'may he rest in pieces'?

    A friend with testicular cancer (and the removal of one, which we knew) was telling us about his chemotherapy...
    It sounded horrible and in a fit of morbid sympathy I said, "I'd give my left nut to avoid that!" Everyone stared at me.

    I still think it's a little bit funny...


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12 Jun 2013, 6:58 pm

1401b,
Did you know how HAL got his name? What is the letter right after "H"? "I"?
IBM!
Do you know how Canada got its name? They put all the letters in a hat. The first letter drawn was a "C". Everyone said,"eh?!" Then an "N" was drawn. Everyone said,"eh?!".......
Could be true. :D


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12 Jun 2013, 7:17 pm

I answered the question "Would your intellect over rule your intuition" as yes.

But this question seems to be a different one to what you really wanted to ask.
Your examples are asking us to compare our memory of an event to the memory of another person about the event.

Two people will often have two different perspectives, and two different memories of the same event. That doesn’t mean one or both are wrong.

Spoken words are different. I often get accused of saying things offensive. I think some of these are misconstruing my words; some are perception of what they think I said not what I actually said.

Either way, I'm not going to accept their words of what I said. I will always accept my own memory of what I said and why.

Is there anyone here who would accept somebody else’s claim over their own memory of the event?



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12 Jun 2013, 7:42 pm

This is more about how insecure you are - would you accept one persons opinion of you as the correct view of reality? Is it easier to believe negative opinions than positive ones?
Calling someone weird is often not a way to give information ("it is unusual to do that") but used as an insult.
Then the question becomes; Do you view insults as neutral facts instead of thinking about the intent behind it?



wittgenstein wrote:
I suppose that total and spontaneous honesty is socially inappropriate. But that makes us better then them :D!


I like honesty. I don't like rudeness, depending on the context - if you're just inappropriate or actually mean to someone.
Not calling you mean, but people often conflate that with "honesty", as if everyone else was thinking the same things but are dishonest liars for being nice. :huh:
But of course people have different definitions of what mean is. Something can be said with good intent, and still be mean. You just have to decide if you're ok with that.
If I told someone I dislike their [whatever], I would be expressing my honest personal opinion, but for the majority that would be viewed as something said with calculated hurtful intent. They automatically think about how the other person would feel if they said something like that to them, so they assume you do too.



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12 Jun 2013, 8:38 pm

I don't swear like a sailor. I do reach a lot. I guess some of my answers to certain oral or written comments can come off as ill-meaning.



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12 Jun 2013, 8:48 pm

Anomiel wrote:
This is more about how insecure you are - would you accept one persons opinion of you as the correct view of reality? Is it easier to believe negative opinions than positive ones?


I see where you're coming from, and your point is correct. Now, to rephrase the facts slightly, if it's my memory of how something was conveyed (verbal or non-verbal), and someone's explanation of how it was recieved, I'd at the very least pay some attention to how I am told something was recieved. Human minds are too good at self-deception after all, and if I make a mistake, I'd like to learn from it.

Now if the person giving me the feedback is a jerk, that "information" is worth as much as the contents of my garbage can.


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12 Jun 2013, 9:12 pm

AgentPalpatine wrote:
Anomiel wrote:
This is more about how insecure you are - would you accept one persons opinion of you as the correct view of reality? Is it easier to believe negative opinions than positive ones?


I see where you're coming from, and your point is correct. Now, to rephrase the facts slightly, if it's my memory of how something was conveyed (verbal or non-verbal), and someone's explanation of how it was recieved, I'd at the very least pay some attention to how I am told something was recieved. Human minds are too good at self-deception after all, and if I make a mistake, I'd like to learn from it.

Now if the person giving me the feedback is a jerk, that "information" is worth as much as the contents of my garbage can.


Yes, I agree. It depends on where the opinion comes from, and why they are saying it. If it is to point out how something was received, then you know that at least that person thought so and that information might be useful to you. But that person do not have a more accurate view of reality simply on the basis of not being you.
With things like calling someone weird - it's often a way of social control, that shouldn't be accepted as something neutral whether it's correct or not.