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15 Jul 2013, 3:45 am

Considering there are always those eccentric types, who become recluses and hermits throughout the ages, do you think that it's likely many of them were autistic?

We all know that feeling of needing to shut ourselves away because it gets too much, or feeling let down by society and withdrawing from it.


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15 Jul 2013, 4:40 am

Sure.

Some people don't need others, and throw in the effort needed for someone with a social disorder to interact (ASD and Schizophrenic spectrum disorders), you have the recluses and hermits of the world.

Some people with the aforementioned disorders do need others though (which is sad due to how hard it'd be for them to connect).



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15 Jul 2013, 5:43 am

Quantify need. I mean, is it need because of being unable to do certain things they need to do to live, or need for socialising purposes? I mean in historical times, hermits would retreat to caves and such-like, and live a self-subsistent existence. I suppose if they were a shaman or witch doctor the villagers would visit them and trade/pay for their cures so in that way they would need people to an extent.


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15 Jul 2013, 6:49 am

I think qualify is the correct word.



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15 Jul 2013, 7:39 am

No Quantify was he correct term to use here, the word qualify would have given the sentence a whole new meaning not intended by Whirlingmind.

I was a virtual hermit for ten years, I lived in the Attic of my parents house, not speaking to anyone. My family only saw me on the odd occasion I emerged to eat (usually alone). About once a month I'd travel to london to be briefed on my next commision, then return to my attic to do the work. I made more than enough money that I could acfford to live like that, but in the end lonliness got the better of me and I returned to the world.

To this day I think I could very easily go back to being a recluse, so I can see the attaction being a hermit was to aspies in the past. So yes I suspect there were quite a few aspie hermits.


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15 Jul 2013, 8:43 am

grahamguitarman wrote:
No Quantify was he correct term to use here, the word qualify would have given the sentence a whole new meaning not intended by Whirlingmind.

I was a virtual hermit for ten years, I lived in the Attic of my parents house, not speaking to anyone. My family only saw me on the odd occasion I emerged to eat (usually alone). About once a month I'd travel to London to be briefed on my next commission, then return to my attic to do the work. I made more than enough money that I could afford to live like that, but in the end loneliness got the better of me and I returned to the world.

To this day I think I could very easily go back to being a recluse, so I can see the attraction being a hermit was to aspies in the past. So yes I suspect there were quite a few aspie hermits.


You are correct grahamguitarman. (Some people just like to act superior for the sake of it whether they have the arsenal to back it up or not - and it's so satisfying when they are wrong :twisted: ).

I guess, whilst you were a hermit, at least you were occupying yourself doing your work (was that art?) and you had a goal, rather than just existing going through your daily essentials.

I guess for a hermit, you lose any social skills whatsoever eventually and get seen as an oddball, so in that way I guess cutting oneself off entirely isn't recommended. And despite what people think, we can and do get lonely.


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15 Jul 2013, 8:52 am

I don't see how you can quantify need in different situations that can not be compared.



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15 Jul 2013, 9:22 am

whirlingmind wrote:
grahamguitarman wrote:
No Quantify was he correct term to use here, the word qualify would have given the sentence a whole new meaning not intended by Whirlingmind.

I was a virtual hermit for ten years, I lived in the Attic of my parents house, not speaking to anyone. My family only saw me on the odd occasion I emerged to eat (usually alone). About once a month I'd travel to London to be briefed on my next commission, then return to my attic to do the work. I made more than enough money that I could afford to live like that, but in the end loneliness got the better of me and I returned to the world.

To this day I think I could very easily go back to being a recluse, so I can see the attraction being a hermit was to aspies in the past. So yes I suspect there were quite a few aspie hermits.


You are correct grahamguitarman. (Some people just like to act superior for the sake of it whether they have the arsenal to back it up or not - and it's so satisfying when they are wrong :twisted: ).

I guess, whilst you were a hermit, at least you were occupying yourself doing your work (was that art?) and you had a goal, rather than just existing going through your daily essentials.

I guess for a hermit, you lose any social skills whatsoever eventually and get seen as an oddball, so in that way I guess cutting oneself off entirely isn't recommended. And despite what people think, we can and do get lonely.


Actually I spent a lot of time doing nothing lol, I'm the worlds worst procrastiator. But inbetween that I was working as a commercial sulptor.

When I came out of isolation I was like a fish out of water - even more clueless about the real world than ever. It took me a long time to learn how to socialise again :(

P.S. I'm not even going to waste my time arguing semantics and the correct meanings of words, It's not worth the effort.


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15 Jul 2013, 9:38 am

More people will respond if the question is made as clear as possible, especially with members who don't use english as a first language. I would think 'define' would best but what do I know?

I think I will make a new thread: "Why do aspies always think negatively first?"



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15 Jul 2013, 10:46 am

I am schizophrenic and autistic. I would be happy to live like a hermit, just so long as I can text or email someone should I ever need to.

When my paranoia and voices get bad, I often shut myself away from the world.


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15 Jul 2013, 11:32 am

whirlingmind wrote:
Quantify need.


Some people gain happiness and energy from being around other people, no matter their disorder or lack of one. Most people tend to fall here to some extent. What varies is the amount needed. Hence, a "need" (unhappy and depressed if it's not satisfied, for example).

Some people don't. Happy with their own company, and they don't need to be around people to feel energized and connected. There's not as many people like that here, but there are some, whether by disorder or design.

Hermits and recluses would fall in the latter category.