Negligent of friendships
OK, I've made one friend and even spent time with him. He's a trans man who is very kind and generous and has dealt with similar mental health issues to me. He's also very attaching, and will call lots of times at all hours. I often avoid answering the phone. I call back sometimes, but if I don't reach him, then I don't attempt it again. He's called me out for this and I said that sometimes I don't feel like talking. He says to call to at least say that. He doesn't seem to hear any of my messages though. He then called and left a message, sobbing, saying "I'm so lonely." That did trip my emotional wire a bit, but still I did nothing. He has since sent text messages apologizing for being "too loud" and all, but I've ignored them. Recently, he's stopped calling altogether.
I've done this with other friendships. Like this one other trans man, with whom I've struck up a friendship. I ended up neglecting him as well. We had some get-togethers planned and all, but I ended up cancelling them. After a while, I just kinda gave up trying to pursue anymore, and now we don't talk at all.
I've noticed my feeling in these regards. I have a sense of apathy when I do this, like I just don't flippin' care, yet a small part of me asks myself, Why do I do this? I just kinda relax and chill at home, going about my daily routine.
Basically, I've got no friends and spend all my social time with my parents.
I don't know if this is relevant, but I find that my ability to be social varies. There are times when I can make myself reach out to people and other times when I just can't. Sometimes I feel totally exhausted and just can't initiate or respond to communication.
If a friendship can ride out those bad periods, it lasts, but if people assume that I am being hostile, the relationship ends. I really value the relationships that have survived multiple down cycles where I really couldn't communicate.
I sometimes think I would like to be more social and have more friends, but I know I could not do the work to maintain more relationships. I think you have to find a balance, somehow.
I used to not be like this. Like when I was in my early 20s, I'd hang out with friends at least once a week and would enjoy it. Nowadays, though, I feel this kinda fog in my head when I think about friendships, kinda like "huh, what?" It's like I've changed for the worst over the past few years. I wonder if it's related to my current bout with mental illness?
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I am like this, too! I will feel very lonely, and be pretty social with people (mostly on the net); but then I can turn completely around and feel very anti- social, as well!
I don't know what mostly causes this in me, but I wonder whether or not my "social breaker switch" gets tripped when this happens?
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He then called and left a message, sobbing, saying "I'm so lonely." That did trip my emotional wire a bit, but still I did nothing. He has since sent text messages apologizing for being "too loud" and all, but I've ignored them. Recently, he's stopped calling altogether.
I've done this with other friendships. Like this one other trans man, with whom I've struck up a friendship. I ended up neglecting him as well. We had some get-togethers planned and all, but I ended up cancelling them. After a while, I just kinda gave up trying to pursue anymore, and now we don't talk at all.
In the first case I think that's really bad depression on your friends' part and there's not a lot you can do for that. Not really your fault, you could have called him I suppose at a later time that he may have felt more stable but calling then might have been a bad idea anyway.
The second case sounds a lot like something I can relate to. But I say relate to, I don't say I've done the exact same thing (though I have neglected friendships).. so maybe specific to you (and your aspergers) and your circumstances or just plain normal insecurities that everyone (including aspies) have. I've heard of people with abandonment issues having this kinda "ditching" behaviour but don't take that for gospel.
Your feelings about this.. well it seems you do kinda care because you seem kinda worried that you didn't seem to care. So don't beat yourself up too much. I think even "normal" people can just be like "Oh whatever I can't deal with other peoples issues" etc and maybe they don't feel bad about it either because when someone makes it your fault they are depressed you can be defiant/defensive and I think anyone can just distance themselves from feeling bad about someone because of that. People who are a bit of a soft touch in these cases can get walked over so it's common I think.
I do sometimes feel lonely and wish I had a close friend whom I can contact whenever I like. But as I grew older and spent more time alone, I kind of got used to being alone. I kind of feel less lonely and happily spend time alone for a few days. I got so used to being alone that I find it a bit tiring to go out to see a friend on rare occasions. I sometimes think I'm neglecting friends and that might be one of the reasons why I can't keep friends.
I have no trouble making friends - the majority of people who I meet, both on and offline, seem quite charmed by my personality. Maintaining friendships, however, is a different story entirely. At first I will enjoy talking to my friends, but it makes me uncomfortable when I feel that we are becoming closer. The moment I feel that I am getting too close to them, I will push them away by cutting off all communication with them and essentially disappear on them without an explanation or a goodbye. However, I will often feel very guilty about my decision to push my friends away and they will enter my thoughts a lot. Weeks, months or even years later, I will then decide to reappear in their lives just as suddenly and without explanation as I had left. They are usually very happy to have me back, welcoming me with open arms and telling me that they worried about me. Until they start getting too close again, and then I will disappear again.
I have no definitive answer as to why I engage in this behavior, but I do have some speculations:
1) I simply get overwhelmed by the demands of the friendship. There is some evidence that I have always been this way, because when I had a group of friends as a young child, I would often try to sneak away from them in order to play by myself or cling to my mom instead of playing with them, and I became frustrated when they tried to follow me around.
2) I had a very hurtful experience in my past where I emotionally invested everything into a friendship, only to have the other person betray and abandon me. So it's very possible that I developed severe trust issues from this experience.
3) Some combination of both (which I think is the most likely answer)
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If a friendship can ride out those bad periods, it lasts, but if people assume that I am being hostile, the relationship ends. I really value the relationships that have survived multiple down cycles where I really couldn't communicate.
I sometimes think I would like to be more social and have more friends, but I know I could not do the work to maintain more relationships. I think you have to find a balance, somehow.
Ditto
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Actually, it's less of a worry, and more of an observation. I've been interested in mental illness lately and have been observing my behaviors to try to fit it within certain mental illnesses. This particular behavior seems to be autism spectrum, though it seems somewhat more likely to be schizophrenia spectrum, such as schizoid personality disorder.
I have no definitive answer as to why I engage in this behavior, but I do have some speculations:
1) I simply get overwhelmed by the demands of the friendship. There is some evidence that I have always been this way, because when I had a group of friends as a young child, I would often try to sneak away from them in order to play by myself or cling to my mom instead of playing with them, and I became frustrated when they tried to follow me around.
2) I had a very hurtful experience in my past where I emotionally invested everything into a friendship, only to have the other person betray and abandon me. So it's very possible that I developed severe trust issues from this experience.
3) Some combination of both (which I think is the most likely answer)
Like you, I can make friends with little problem; it's maintaining the friendships where I get overwhelmed. I wonder if we're "secret schizoids" where we look very inviting, but in reality we're closed off.
I have found that maintaining friendships can take work. But I think that sometimes one of the reasons I have trouble is that I try too hard. That would get exhausting and emotionally weird and it just makes it not work. Sometimes if I just try to sit back and not try so hard at the friendship it helps it develop and grow. I have a lot of acquaintances but only a couple of friends that are really close. But those friends know of my issues and are willing to love me anyway and we work through whatever we need to to maintain the friendship. But that takes time a real commitment and trust and those things can be hard sometimes. I have lost friends because as they got to know me I became too weird for them and they could not handle my weirdness. Sad but it is what it is. If you want a good friend, I say don't give up. It will happen but don't try too hard because then it might make things more awkward. But as people become more educated about the Autism Spectrum or mental illness they tend to be less weirded out or judgmental and that makes it easier I think. Perhaps you will find a friend from this forum who is local to where you live that you can be close to. That would be nice.
I have no definitive answer as to why I engage in this behavior, but I do have some speculations:
1) I simply get overwhelmed by the demands of the friendship. There is some evidence that I have always been this way, because when I had a group of friends as a young child, I would often try to sneak away from them in order to play by myself or cling to my mom instead of playing with them, and I became frustrated when they tried to follow me around.
2) I had a very hurtful experience in my past where I emotionally invested everything into a friendship, only to have the other person betray and abandon me. So it's very possible that I developed severe trust issues from this experience.
3) Some combination of both (which I think is the most likely answer)
This sounds like you are describing me. I also think it may be for the reason you state. Though lately people have got really attached to me and refuse for me to disappear, then i have ended up stating reasons why the friendship is no longer working and this has upset people, so i've burnt my bridges this time. In retrospect i can see that with some of them i may have been a bit harsh, but one friend was really depressed and no amount of me trying to help her would make a difference. It's like i feel other peoples emotions and it gets so intense so when my best friend slept all day because she didn't have a job and she was depressed it made me feel hopeless and down. I didn't want to feel like this so i tried to get out of the friendship. When she pushed me as to why i wanted to spend time alone i told her the reason and she got really angry

I've always struggled with maintaining friendships, I just seem to drift away from people all the time. I don't even cut them off or anything, I just sort of fade into the background.
This has got worse since getting married, my entire life now revolves around my wife and kids, nothing else matters to me. So I never see any of my friends at all, I know I should, but the emotional demands of my friendships just seem too much for me. I think in a way I use my family as an excuse to not see other people
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What goes on is that I stop caring and just never get around to calling back.
What goes on is that I stop caring and just never get around to calling back.
I've done that when I have felt overwhelmed or felt like a person was a danger to me like if they were close to people who did illegal drugs or something. I don't know if I ever just didn't care. Do you feel overwhelmed or something like that and then stop caring?