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11 Aug 2013, 2:37 pm

I hear in England that people with autism and Asperger's are subjected to inhumane treatment everyday.



What kind of inhumane do you think they are maybe subjected too? :pale:



I was not previously aware this was happening to people on the spectrum in the 21st century



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11 Aug 2013, 3:26 pm

Lots of stuff. In America, in terms of human rights, the disability rights movement is about, oh... fifty years behind the civil rights/racial-equality movement. Some other countries are even worse.

My sig has a link to my memorial pages for, now, over a hundred autistic people who were killed because they were autistic--murdered by parents (who often got more sympathy than punsishment), killed by neglect or mistreatment in insitutions, even shot by the police. They are by no means the only ones. Research is turning up new ones every day; I have a dozen waiting to be added.


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11 Aug 2013, 3:33 pm

How can we avoid this?



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11 Aug 2013, 4:15 pm

^ Never go out in public.



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11 Aug 2013, 4:26 pm

Fnord wrote:
^ Never go out in public.



Elaborate?



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11 Aug 2013, 10:58 pm

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^ Never go out in public.
Won't work. If you never go out in public, how're you going to support yourself? You'll need to be on disability, and people will need to help you with things like bringing groceries. Vulnerability to abuse from staff right there.

Plus, a large number of the people I've found for the memorial were killed by their own families, often in their own homes. Others were killed by staff, at home or while supervised. Very few were actually killed by relative strangers.

The only real way to prevent abuse of autistic people it is to fight for the rights of disabled people everywhere. You could try to hide, sure, and you might be successful; but you'd have to live your life in hiding, and with the knowledge that anybody who can't hide is suffering everything you fear. That's not my kind of life.


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12 Aug 2013, 12:06 am

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How can we avoid this?


Well Jamesy, your 23 making you an adult so you have made through the potentially hard part as far is family is concerned if Callista's memorial page is any indecation, your more likely to be shown the door then murdered.

The best thing I think we can do for ourselves is to watch our actons and stay out of trouble, not draw any negitive attention, be as independent/self reliant is possible to cut down on the number of people we depend on and to incresse the flexibillity of that list of people. Thats the best I can do until sociaty fixes itself, i'm not waiting for that to happen that would just be a waste of time.

Be thankful your HFA/Asperger if thats what you are, I sure am! That way a we could fend off a court challange to remove our rights and appoint a guardian to legally make all of our desisions for us, the first step to potential abuse in my opinion becouse you will lose your right to remove yourself from the abusive situation. I'm so careful to keep my records clean partly becouse of this.



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12 Aug 2013, 5:32 am

Prejudice against the "disabled" is on the increase across the board in the UK. This is largely due to govt. policy which stigmatises those of us on benefits. The paralympics did not help, setting rather a high benchmark for functionality.
There was a story in the paper recently about a doctor who was tired of writing sick notes for his patients. He was considering putting a photo of Stephen Hawking on the surgery wall with a caption stating: "this man is not on the sick".



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12 Aug 2013, 10:10 am

No, he's not on sick leave; he's retired! And well-deserved, too. Most people don't make nearly that many contributions to physics. And most people don't get lucky enough to have that kind of talent, disability or no disability. And when he started out, he wasn't disabled yet, so he escaped the stigma in his early years.

See, this is why we can't just hide away. People like that doctor need to be told that disabled people a.) deserve to be allowed in the workplace, and b.) deserve the basic necessities, without shame, even if they can't work. If we hide, then it gets worse.


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12 Aug 2013, 10:24 am

There was a recent article about a suicidal teenage girl who was diagnosed with Asperger Syndrome (but later told she didn't have it) and drugged up. One of the things at the hospital which turned my stomach was how the staff told her if she acted out she would be stripped naked and put in a padded room 8O For f*** sake we don't even treat serial killers that badly in this country and that's supposed to be a TREATMENT???

They actually did that to a girl (by male staff) who was raped and was suicidal (and eventually succeeded) and it made international headlines. Yeah, that really f***ing helps! If that's "treatment" I'd hate to see punishment! This country releases dangerous child molesters (like my neighbour who never spent a day in jail) who psychiatrists say WILL re-offend yet we lock up teenage ASD patients? Insane!

If I were ever stripped and locked up you can bet it would MAKE me suicidal because I would rather be dead than locked up.



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12 Aug 2013, 4:19 pm

Apparently the French are really bad in the way they treat autism, because the attitude there is that autism is a mental illness caused by bad parenting. So lots of kids get taken away from their parents, and some of the so-called treatments are no better than abuse anyway.

It is a sad truth that Abusers are drawn to the weakest members of society when searching for victims, so those on the spectrum become favoured targets. This is why we need to be far more vigilant in who we allow to work in care homes. We all need to become more aware of these things and try to make others aware as well.


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12 Aug 2013, 4:23 pm

Education and advocacy.

Maybe start with a you tube channel.

Keep videos under four minutes for the maximum popularity.