Genetics vs. Environment

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I started to read Gabor Maté's book book. I'm just on page 40 or something, but it is very interesting so far.

Eventhough he says and writes "ADD", he means the entire ADHD-spectrum actually. That's the only confusing thing you should know about him.

But so far I can highly recogment this book.

That's one of the problems with American culture. Parents dream of, want and are expected to have perfect kids and if there not. just pop them a pill. We have way too much faith in the pharmaceutical industry and seem to think that medical science has a cure for everything. My mother was the same way and tried to put me on all kinds of pills. Luckily for me I just spit them out. like hell I was gonna take that sh!t. Not when it make you feel like every synapse in your brain is going off like fire crackers and your body feels like ice-cream melting.

Yes I also see medication very critical, especially in children.
But on the other hand without meds, I wouldn't know what to do.
I think Gabor Maté is right, that it has the choice of the child, otherwise it's mindcontroll.

I have always understood the affects atmosphere has on people, I’m a bit of a deep thinker and can work certain things out, especially through my experiences with autism.

I know people are blown away by the brain and how complex a machine it is, my interest lie with the ghost in the machine, that’s the most fascinating aspect of life we must learn and understand. There is more to the human mind than what meets the eye, much more than we understand.

Albert Einstein once said that "if we could use the mind to its full potential, we would be pure energy...

“That which is impenetrable to us really exists. Behind the secrets of nature remains something subtle, intangible. Veneration for this force beyond anything that we can comprehend is my religion.” Albert Einstein (1879 –1955).

Albert Einstein believed energy to be infinite, no beginning or end.

Most people understand we are all a product of the environment, but I’m not sure if most people understand how, or to what extent we are.

Human beings posses more than the five senses we have been taught about at school, and through these senses we experience life, being.

”When the mind speaks, the brain is merely a messenger...

I will look out for Gabor mates work also, thanks for bringing to my attention Raziel.

Environ-mental affects?????

I had one where no one caught an eyesight deficiency until I was almost through 2nd grade. By this time I think my nick-name was "let's-get-'em" but after I got my first prescription (I wouldn't let them give me bifocals) and could see, nothing changed for me socially, although I could now read the blackboard and worry about my broken glasses. I'm guessing this was past the critical period of learning.

Another poster told us that in China they are 100% convinced AS is related to poor upbringing. But regardless of the ethnicity of the scientist, they are all just guessing (while trying to make themselves sound official) to continue to receive grants and other funding. I find this deplorable as it sends the wrong message.

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I have a form of trauma.
My psychotherapist wrote about it, that I've a form of trauma. But I've no officiall dx besides that.
But no matter how you call it, when you have survived something your brain thought you wouldn't survive, you are left with horror for a long time. In those situations you realise how f*** up you can get, after some environmental factors. I'm NOT talking about autism though, that's something different.



Yes it does.
Sadly you can never really discuss environmental factors on the childs psyche without anyone thinking you are talking about poor upbringing. I even think that those environmental factors that play a key role in autism are prenatal or difficult birth. But especially prenatal. Nothing that has to do with a poor upbringing.
But besides that, also parents can have good intentions, but a lot of stress that's affecting the child.

All human beings sense stress, it’s an over-riding emotion, we can’t help what the environment has in store for us. A stressful person doesn’t mean a bad person, it simply means they are finding it hard to cope.

My mother was one of those “refrigerator mothers” in the 1960s and 70s England, she had a very stressful life. That’s what contributed to my condition, all out stress in the wrong environment along with being born premature. The world I entered was a concoction of stress and anxiety, I must have absorbed too much of it when I should have been filled with something else.

The behaviour of my mother towards me had nothing to do with my condition, she was an angel. My condition had everything to do with the behaviour of others towards my mother, coupled with how she felt in the environment she was placed in, stress.

I am not saying that all medications are bad as in your case it seem you benefited from it. Who knows, maybe I would have benefited as well. It's just when I was a kid. I was big in to climbing trees and that takes a lot of strength, dexterity and focus and the last thing I need is a bunch of popping noises in my head and a body that feel like molten ice-cream. You have no idea how awful that feels and it make it very dangerous for me to climb trees.

I know I’m not the brightest spark when it comes to English, although I was born in England, I left school with no education. I had learning difficulties at school at a time when people with mental conditions had terrible names, sp****cs, ret*d, Mongol, thick. Nobody cared or understood autism or any other mental condition.

I started this post 2 days ago, I have learnt so much from what everyone has been saying, especially Raziel. I tried to contact you so I could chat somehow, but I don’t know how.

Like most people on wrong planet I have a tendency to go on and on about what I know, so I will try to keep it short.

The video you shown me with Gabor Mates was fascinating, what he was saying about the wrong atmosphere and the environment been the possible cause to ADD, I already understood this and a lot more. Part of his theory can be said for autism also, I have understood for many years now what I believe causes autism, and I also believe I understand how to prevent autism. I also understand what causes bipolar.

My last job was selling sandwiches to offices, so why on earth would anyone listen to silly old me. I have a very rare condition that no so called expert can work out, I experience for most of the time mild autism (aspergers) but when I take on too much stress my mind shuts down, I also experience severe autism. So I know what’s happening at both ends of the spectrum.

Thanks to my experiences they have triggered off a specialist interest from the age of six years old, my autism and how the mind works (not the brain) I have completed a book explaining the evolution of our mind through 25 short stories, along with much research I have done on the history of autism. I can make a connection with a change in our culture that coincides with the rise in autism cases we witness throughout the world today, a change that has altered a part of human nature.

I need your advice Raziel, or anybody else who can help. Because I live with terrible anxiety, I’m prevented from publishing the book, I don’t trust most people, I wouldn’t know the first thing about publishing or marketing. Anxiety has me flicking through the pages every day, the book just sits in my computer doing nothing. Watching the video with Gabor Mates made me understand I’m on the right track with my beliefs.

I don’t know what to do, I want someone to help me publish this book, so other people can learn what I know about the mind and what causes these mental conditions, mental conditions the so called experts say they don’t understand.

Evolution to me would be without human interference. So by that logic artificially inseminated people are those that came after evolution lost its monopoly. And they would be the edge of technological innovation. And no longer part of evolution as such. just an evolution of technological advances.

Never read anything like it in any TCM or 5-element literature, this is what I found in a quick search:

"The exact causes of autism are not known, but there are theories involving heavy metal poisoning, a mother's bad mood during pregnancy, genetics and problems with some kinds of inoculations...
TCM holds that autism is an inborn problem of slow development of shen (spirit/brain), he says, and this problem is believed to be caused by deficient primary energy that the child is born with.

Everyone is born with a given amount of original energy. This energy is a major source of brain growth, according to TCM, and without sufficient energy, children cannot develop their shen, just as they cannot grow tall without enough nutrition from foods.

A pregnant woman's troubled moods, fatigue, poor nutrition or illness can all cause birth defects and energy deficiencies in their babies, says Wang."

http://www.china.org.cn/health/2009-09/ ... 442925.htm

Not at all. Unless you are suggesting that artificial insemination somehow negates selection.

I think people who believe that human technology somehow negates evolution have an unquestioned and erroneous belief that evolution is has some sort of will or intention that can be negated.

In what way does the manner of conception of a child change the suitability of the resulting organism to survive long enough to reproduce?

logically, the advent of artificial insemination techniques should have no effect on evolution, except to preserve certain genomes that might not have reproduced because of whatever issues (e.g., low sperm motility) that led to the use of artificial insemination. Does that change selective pressures on other aspects of the genome? I think not.

Was there ever a time when we did not have an impact on the environment? Humans were causing the extinction of species thousands of years before they developed artificial insemination. Pre human ancestors and non-human species are tool users. Some of their skills have a clear impact on reproductive viability--does this mean tool using birds, monkeys or octopuses are somehow not subject to evolutionary forces? Do you have some rational scheme for demarcating which technologies do and do not cause an end to evolution?

Available evidence does not support the idea that evolution has stopped or that fertility technologies somehow eliminate evolution.

Please show proof of this claim. You won't have any because, recent studies show Autism does have strong environmental causes.

There is obviously both genetic and environmental causes, and it is likely their isn't a single cause for all people. Their may be hundreds of different causes for autism, and each may be unique. We already know some genetic conditions (rare) can cause autism, we also know some viruses in utero can cause autism (rare).

I would suspect most causes of autism are due to some convergence of both genetics and environmental factors. That in the majority of cases both play a significant role.

It doesn't negate it, just creates another subgroup.
Evolution carries on with or without technology. I have met people whom believe that technology will negate evolution.
Evolution just IS. Wether it has or hasn't a will or intent is something I am no longer bothered about tbh.

I'll agree, evidence or not

Would the child have been conceived had conception not been aided by technology? Other than that it probably doesn't

Does anybody really know the answer to that one? Not in my opinion. Bearing in mind its less than 150 years since Mendel fiddled with his peas and it took till the early 1900's before the scientific community clicked on proper regarding the importance of his work.

I'm being pedantic really but in the end I do believe autism is more environment than genetics. I had one big stressfull incident during my pregnancy that was totally outside my control (my pervy landlord had let himself in whilst I was showering and I ultimatelly had to ask him if he would wanted me to get dressed in front of him, he turned lobster and stormed out of the house), I can laugh about it now but at the time I felt as if the stress had an effect on my baby.

Sorry if this has already been mentioned.

Genetics & environment. No 'vs'

Epigenetics. One facet of epigenetics is the alteration of the genome due to the environment.