Now I am Confused

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Recently, I completed a full neuroeducational battery at my university's psyc department. They said I scored slightly above average (112 IQ) overall with superior abstract reasoning. The grad student that administered the battery and her supervisor stated that it is highly unlikely for a person with aspergers to score high in abstract reasoning. Their assesment included a history and charactoristics consistent with DSM IV guidlines for diagnosing aspergers but they refuted the previous diagnosis.

I am confusted

Last edited by gortex6 on 13 Jan 2007, 11:38 am, edited 1 time in total.

its a spectrum disorder. While it may be unlikely that an Aspie would do well on such a test, its not completely impossible.

I even questioned the possibility of PDD-NOS. They said it would be damaging for me to label it.

Though they are right in their assessment of the published situations, *I* have always asserted that they don't make sense given areas of the AS guildelines, etc... Tests I have been given that test abstract reasoning show I test high also.

ANYWAY, aren't they supposed to use diagnostic criteria? The ONLY mental deficiency that is SPECIFICALLY included is SOCIAL!

They are trying to fit AS into their own little cubbyhole, and stereotype it.

BTW a "grad student" once "listened to my heart", and she came BACK to listen again! WHY????? Because my heart has a mechanical valve! It doesn't go lubdub, but more like lub-click-dub-click. Her supervisor(Whom I TOLD about my valve), asked if she heard the valve, and told her to try again when she said NO! She couldn't even LISTEN for this LOUD click! I can hear it as I am going to bed, and I have listened through a stethescope, and it is OBVIOUS(It's louder than my heart!), but she MISSED IT! How much more likely are they to mis-diagnose AS?

Steve

Argh, nonautistics and their generalizations.

First off, yes, there has been evidence to show on the Wechsler IQ Test that Aspies, ON AVERAGE, tend to have a higher Verbal IQ than Performance IQ. HOWEVER, this is strictly a generalization which means not all Aspies are going to show this trait. Some will have pretty even scores, others will show what you've gotten.

They obviously have a very shallow understanding of ASDs. And in this case, I'd be hesitant in listening to anything they have to say about ASDs. They clearly don't have the experience to back it up.

Why are you getting a battery of tests anyways? Are you going to them for diagnosis? If so, stop. Find someone who knows what they're doing. Someone who is experienced with Aspergers/HFA, your age range, and your sex.

I want to inform my professors that I have aspergers but they are required by the schools' code to direct me to the disability office. They refuse to even see me unless I have been tested for learning or educational disabilities. Plus, I am a finance major; all business classes are based on group projects and group presentations, some empower group members to vote you out and give a failing grade on assignments (I am guessing this is done to instill machiavellianism). I can work in teams- I am a in the military for christs sake- but I am dealing with egos that are selfish, xenophobic, and inexperienced with teamwork. I am also horrible at speaking in front of groups. The army sent me to school to become a classroom instructor, and I failed with flying colors; public speaking is my greatest weakness. Each time I present my portion of the project, I only succeed to humiliate myself. I only want my professors to know why I am having difficulty!

Last edited by gortex6 on 13 Jan 2007, 6:05 pm, edited 2 times in total.

MAN does this bring back memories! I had a sales class once in High school, and they had the SAME idea! MY job was to create a jog for a product. My "team" constantly put down that I did NOTHING. WHY? Because I was HONEST! I should have just created a rig, and told the teacher LOOK, I can't create a jig to work as part of a team if they don't even give me an example, or plans for the product. I think I DID end up with a B, but I should have gotten an A. I was working on lathes, with drills, and with wood before most of my "teammates" could even READ!

Steve

Have you already been diagnosed by someone else? If so, it's my understanding that paperwork is supposed to be sufficient according to the 1972 Disabilities Act.

I've been through a couple Disabilities offices, and not one ever required me to do anything but bring in paperwork from a diagnostician confirming such-and-such diagnosis. And then they meet with me asking what accomodations I might need.

This sounds really off, gortex. Is there another university in the area you can call their Disablities Office and enquire about all this and see really how much legal pull your university has over you? Or maybe there's an international organization that helps enforce the 1972 Disablities Act that you can contact for advice.

This sounds fishy, like they're really overstepping their boundaries more than they're allowed to. I would really recommend trying to get some outside professional advice on this.

Ok why these tests are flawed just like (IQ) tests are flawed you take a board that’s wired up for normal tasks, you grab 2 wires and rip them out or you use the wrong gauged wire, it changes what the board will do, now add some new wires and randomly attach them to the board to make connections that should not be there, now take people who don't bother to do more than a few people tests, it will show a pattern that this is true that your cough in an area, to make that saying to say everyone is programmed the same way which then you say everyone is the same now you can see here we are not...

Now its a proven fact peoples programming changes over time, something happens, while they absorb knowledge and information, you can make yourself better in an area, we are bound by allot of skills and weakness, lets put it this way you can only flow information into the parts that your good at but because your brain is wired differently how can one assume everyone will be the same on the (I) type I think you should tell him his knowledge isn’t very good even the physiologist of the (AQ) test does not go on peoples (IQ) why did it get taken out because they is no point using it as research has shown it is a waste of time to do junk tests that go up to (IQ) scales, people with 80% of As on the (AQ) test score 32 - or higher in questions, and 26 and lower as not been As.

If you want to you can make your self score way higher on the (IQ) scale as we will just absorb all the information that is needed to make the IQ go higher, but we only absorb information that we like as we just get bored if it does not interest us, but we can push ourselves to prove a point, you can make your (IQ) jump allot by going away and applying the right research pattern and method to have the patience to stick at it and be in there 24/7 constantly learning, also you can do exercise’s to stimulate your brain to be ready to take an (IQ) test, food you eat the day before the test, your mood…


And 112? above average isn't the world scale 120IQ or something for above average

IQ 105 - 115 high average
115 Mean of college graduates
110-112 Professional and technical


Average (IQ)

District of Columbia 115


Washington 114
Utah 114
Oregon 114
Minnesota 114
Massachusetts 114
Colorado 114


Wisconsin 113
Virginia 113
Vermont 113
Pennsylvania 113
New York 113
New Jersey 113
New Hampshire 113
Nebraska 113
Montana 113
Maryland 113
Kansas 113
Iowa 113
Illinois 113
Idaho 113
Hawaii 113
Delaware 113
Connecticut 113
California 113
Arizona 113
Alaska 113


Wyoming 112
Texas 112
Tennessee 112
South Dakota 112
South Carolina 112
Rhode Island 112
Oklahoma 112
Ohio 112
North Dakota 112
North Carolina 112
New Mexico 112
Nevada 112
Missouri 112
Michigan 112
Maine 112
Indiana 112
Georgia 112
Florida 112


Louisiana 111
Kentucky 111
Arkansas 111
Alabama 111


West Virginia 110
Mississippi 110


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high scores are easier to interpret than low scores. If people score highly, they are
likely to have the ability being measured. People can, however, get low scores for
many reasons – misunderstanding, lack of familiarity with tests, anxiety, etc. Low
scores should therefore be seen as showing ‘you have not yet shown evidence of
this ability on this test’.

l all scores are compared to groups of individuals, e.g. people at various stages of
their education, those working in different jobs. Therefore the score is not fixed. A
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Last edited by logitechdog on 14 Jan 2007, 12:51 am, edited 2 times in total.

Hmm I curious what your goal is? Like you want to get special consideration so you can pass these group project based classes so you can get a better job in the military?Yeah I was murdered in a group project were we all choose each others grade. I was nice and gave everybody an A but others gave me a lowwer mark. I dropped speech class and I was in near panic as I gave a public speech in microbiology. Oh the professor in that microbiology class was one twisted ba$tard anyway.

logitechdog, I don't think the university was commenting on his overall IQ score, but of the difference in the breakup of the Verbal IQ and the Performance IQ. His PIQ was higher than his VIQ and this was why they were discounting Aspergers, solely based on that.

I don't think anyone here will disagree on the fallibility of IQ tests though.

HECK, who says the verbal HAS to be at a certain level, and apparantly some of the people here probably have a VERY high performance IQ. As for me, my last time in school I was only given the general IQ. They DID give me the option to skip grades though. On ASDGESTALT there was a woman that said she had to be kept back from where she SHOULD have been because they wouldn't let her skip all those grades! She could only skip a couple. And she DEFINITELY seems like SHE is AS!

Luckily, I don't think many IQ tests delve too deep into math. the last one I took online dealt with sequences, pythagoreans theorem, and simple word problems, which were no problem for me. So, I did well there. Even the perception ones were relatively simple.

So, WHO KNOWS? Maybe I did well on performance also.

Steve

Here's one abstract which brings up both points.

Army Service: signal troops = communication relaying and that sort of stuff. That's where they placed me after doing all the tests. Had not slept before the test and probably could have performed better.

Have no idea what that says about my cognitive profile, but high verbal and lower performance IQ seem to fit me.

My IQ was 133 the last time it was tested. I've taken three of them and have been getting progressively higher scores.

I must admit. The grad student administering the battery was a hottie and a distraction