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20 Feb 2014, 10:03 am

Can someone summarise what a highly logical subtype of Asperger's would be like, beyond the obvious "they're logical"?


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20 Feb 2014, 10:20 am

Just my opinion since I'm told I'm logical. A logical thinker is someone who comes up with an obvious and simple solution to a problem that others usually overthink about and complicate.



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20 Feb 2014, 10:56 am

Asperger's or not, everyone can be referred to as very 'logical' under many circumstances; any individual has the capacity to use logic and may use it over emotions, it depends on personality.

Strictly speaking in terms of Asperger's, I'm assuming that the 'logical Asperger's subtype' would be a person that was affected by severe alexithymia and thus would be incapable of involving most emotion in anything they would say/do. They would only be able to use logic as a result, therefore giving the appearance of a cold, calculated person.

Aside from literally being unable to understand/involve emotions or having a personality that preferred logic even in emotional situations, I don't really see any other way to go about it.


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20 Feb 2014, 11:04 am

A logical aspie is the thinking type who isn't run by their feelings.

A heart aspie is the sensitive type who finds it harder to think logically.

I'm a heart aspie like my role model.


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20 Feb 2014, 11:08 am

People have accused me of being "logical" when I'm actually being "literal".

For instance, someone gave me directions to a restaurant, saying that it was "on the corner" of a certain intersection, when it was actually two blocks away on a side street. When I pointed out that the restaurant was nowhere near the intersection, she told me that I was being too "Logical" when I was only following her directions literally.

I could have accused her of being "Stupid" when she was actually being "Ignorant". :roll:



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20 Feb 2014, 1:29 pm

I'm not sure which type I am. I suspect that I'm INFJ, which means I'm a Feeler rather than a Thinker. But my feelings have gotten me into trouble all my life, so as a coping mechanism I've learned to distrust them, and force myself to rely on logic instead.



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20 Feb 2014, 1:46 pm

Seems like somebody that'd have problems with apathy. As I understand, emotions play a huge role in motivation, so lacking/being unaware of emotions means lacking/being unaware of motivation. So when somebody likes to style themselves Spock, I have to wonder if they have any real drives in their life. If they do, then that's where you'll find their emotions. That's what keeps them getting out of bed everyday.


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20 Feb 2014, 3:44 pm

As with anyone, my emotions can get in the way of my logical side, but they're also part of it. The logical side has worked out the advantageous aspects of most emotions anyway.


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20 Feb 2014, 4:06 pm

SteelMaiden wrote:
Can someone summarise what a highly logical subtype of Asperger's would be like, beyond the obvious "they're logical"?


I am a "logical type ASD person". However, I think "logical" per se is incorrect.

I have learned certain "order patterns" to the world, and the next time I do/converse about that thing, then I expect that order pattern to be followed. Thus, if/when the order is violated, then I observe that, and may point out to others that the order is wrong, and they may think I am being "logical". However, all that is happening is that I am seeing an order pattern not being followed.

When I tell them, "Shouldn't X happen before Y"? because I have seen X happen before Y many prior times, then the person may respond, "Oh yeah, that makes a lot of more sense". And they think I am logical.

The Logical Type
This subcategory of Aspergers concerns individuals who seem to be very cautious.
•They like to know exactly what to expect, and they prefer to have the rules systematically spelled out for them.
•They often have difficulty getting past the analytical stage when completing tasks and assignments.
•The need for order and logical sequence can lead to frustration and intolerance for things that appear to be irrational.
•The logical type might resist following directions that don’t make sense.

http://www.livingwithaspergers.com/type ... rgers.html



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20 Feb 2014, 5:31 pm

I'm not sure. I think "logical" in that sense might mean "analytical."

I disagree with the posters who distinguish being logical from being emotional. It is perfectly possible to make logical decisions based on emotions; for example, you see a large, hungry, carnivorous animal, you feel fear (which is a logical response because you don't want to die/be ripped to pieces), and based on your fear, you decide to run away.

To be "logical" can have a few different meanings, but it is fundamentally the act of reasoning, of coming to conclusions based on certain premises, which is something that everyone does, but people start with different premises because they have different priorities and motivations, and so what is logical to some is illogical to others.

In technologically advanced societies, extroverted reasoning (reasoning based on external evidence) tends to be valued, and the people who make use of it are seen as the most logical. So the person who buys a computer based on price, processor specifications, and RAM would be seen as logical. The person who buys a computer based on what her friends suggested, the color, and the one that just "feels" right would not be seen as logical, but the only difference is that she is making her purchasing decision based on internal, or subjective, evidence. Perhaps she highly values her friends' judgment, and it makes her feel very secure to take their advice. Perhaps she is sensitive to the sensory quality of her office, and the computer's color is calming, not too bright, and fits in with the office decor, which may be crucial for her to work without sensory distractions. It's difficult to describe her inner experience, so she sounds even more illogical when she tries to explain why she chose the computer. But her decision is not illogical.



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20 Feb 2014, 6:48 pm

"There is always an easy solution to every human problem -neat, plausible, and wrong." [h.l. Mencken]



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20 Feb 2014, 10:23 pm

starkid wrote:
In technologically advanced societies, extroverted reasoning (reasoning based on external evidence) tends to be valued, and the people who make use of it are seen as the most logical. So the person who buys a computer based on price, processor specifications, and RAM would be seen as logical. The person who buys a computer based on what her friends suggested, the color, and the one that just "feels" right would not be seen as logical, but the only difference is that she is making her purchasing decision based on internal, or subjective, evidence. Perhaps she highly values her friends' judgment, and it makes her feel very secure to take their advice. Perhaps she is sensitive to the sensory quality of her office, and the computer's color is calming, not too bright, and fits in with the office decor, which may be crucial for her to work without sensory distractions. It's difficult to describe her inner experience, so she sounds even more illogical when she tries to explain why she chose the computer. But her decision is not illogical.


I will often use extroverted reasoning to come up with conclusions, but I actually prefer to use subjective reasoning to come up with conclusions (i.e. I come up with conclusions based on what makes sense to me). I only use extroverted reasoning because I was taught to use it.



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20 Feb 2014, 10:44 pm

starkid wrote:
I'm not sure. I think "logical" in that sense might mean "analytical."

I disagree with the posters who distinguish being logical from being emotional. It is perfectly possible to make logical decisions based on emotions; for example, you see a large, hungry, carnivorous animal, you feel fear (which is a logical response because you don't want to die/be ripped to pieces), and based on your fear, you decide to run away.

To be "logical" can have a few different meanings, but it is fundamentally the act of reasoning, of coming to conclusions based on certain premises, which is something that everyone does, but people start with different premises because they have different priorities and motivations, and so what is logical to some is illogical to others.

In technologically advanced societies, extroverted reasoning (reasoning based on external evidence) tends to be valued, and the people who make use of it are seen as the most logical. So the person who buys a computer based on price, processor specifications, and RAM would be seen as logical. The person who buys a computer based on what her friends suggested, the color, and the one that just "feels" right would not be seen as logical, but the only difference is that she is making her purchasing decision based on internal, or subjective, evidence. Perhaps she highly values her friends' judgment, and it makes her feel very secure to take their advice. Perhaps she is sensitive to the sensory quality of her office, and the computer's color is calming, not too bright, and fits in with the office decor, which may be crucial for her to work without sensory distractions. It's difficult to describe her inner experience, so she sounds even more illogical when she tries to explain why she chose the computer. But her decision is not illogical.


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20 Feb 2014, 11:14 pm

I'm not sure what type I am. I do have a natural tendency to count and categorize things (and people). For example I count the squirrels that I see from the park to my house and group them by colour. I'll count how many guys vs gals there are in my classes at school too. :lol: Also, I keep lists of the books I read every summer and how many pages each one is so I can see how many pages I read in a summer (it's something I started as a student when I had no classes in the summer, now I have classes all year round but I still do it). When I'm reading a book I like to keep track of where I am in it (for example, there are 900 pages in the book , I've read 350 so I'm a bit more of a third of the way through it). My mum doesn't do this, she doesn't check how many pages are in her book before reading it and doesn't keep track of how far along she is. Also, I'm good at sudoku and slightly addicted to playing it on my phone and that's a game based on logic and patterns.

On the other hand I can be very emotionally reactive and act irrationally. I'll throw fits when I'm really agitated. Some of the decisions I make are based on emotions and not logic though I usually intend to be logical about them. For example, sometimes I'll make impulsive purchases (big purchases like a laptop or expensive noise cancelling headphones) without researching them properly first because I feel like I need them right away.



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20 Feb 2014, 11:18 pm

CockneyRebel wrote:
A logical aspie is the thinking type who isn't run by their feelings.

A heart aspie is the sensitive type who finds it harder to think logically.


I like these categories. :)



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20 Feb 2014, 11:20 pm

Thanks for the link, an interesting read.
I think I lean more towards the emotional type.