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06 Feb 2014, 12:23 am

An interesting article that summarizes quite nicely the fraud that brought about the belief by some that autism is caused by vaccinations.

From http://www.latimes.com/business/hiltzik/la-fi-mh-vaccineautism-link-20140122,0,1151028.story#axzz2rFPvHTlm:

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As Carroll reports, the supposed link dates back to an article published in 1998 in the British medical journal the Lancet. "This was not a randomized control trial or even a scientific study," he notes. "It was merely a description of a small group of children" -- 12 children, of whom nine were said by their parents to show signs of autism. Eight of that group were said to have first shown the symptoms shortly after receiving the vaccine.

That study has become one of the most famous scientific papers ever published in Britain, and not in a good way. It's been retracted by the Lancet, 10 of its 12 authors have disavowed its findings, and the lead author, Andrew Wakefield, has been stripped of his medical license.

The British Medical Journal in 2011 documented how Wakefield systematically falsified the data about his subjects to fabricate an association between the vaccine and autism. The goal? To help a group that hoped to profit by suing the vaccine makers. The paper was "fatally flawed both scientifically and ethically," the BMJ stated.

Yet the paper lives on in its influence over impressionable parents. Its impact on vaccination rates in Britain was enormous. Rates there have begun to creep up since they began sliding in the aftermath of the Lancet report, but "they are still below the 95% level recommended by the World Health Organization to ensure herd immunity," the BMJ reported. "In 2008, for the first time in 14 years, measles was declared endemic in England and Wales. Hundreds of thousands of children in the U.K. are currently unprotected as a result of the scare, and the battle to restore parents’ trust in the vaccine is ongoing."

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As Carroll reports, one result of the Wakefield paper was a surge in scientific controlled investigations of the MMR-autism link. These studies, some of which involved as many as 500,000 children, have consistently found no association whatsoever.



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06 Feb 2014, 1:21 am

My grandparents once claimed that I started displaying symptoms of ASD after I was given a vaccine at 1 1/2 years old. I highly doubt that that's what caused it though, as I know that ASD has a genetic basis, and I'm fairly certain that my father has a mild case.



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06 Feb 2014, 1:45 am

my kids and grandkids who are autistic, were obviously 'creatively wired," since, literally,the delivery room. My understanding is that I was as well. [ I have been told that it was most likely the extreme sensory issues that were being experienced]

But I am confused because I have spoken to some mothers whose kids were laid back, happy babies who literally overnight became unresponsive and not so happy shortly after receiving vaccines [ though babies do seem to always just have had a vaccine or else is due for one] How do we know that some vaccines might not be causing issues? Please don't flame me. I am not arguing, simply wondering. I mean, I know that the government has disputed the claim but isn't lying something our government tends to do more often than not?

Not fighting. Asking.



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06 Feb 2014, 1:49 am

I know that some people were definitely born autistic. I also believe that it's possible for vaccines and other trauma to cause autistic-like symptoms.


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06 Feb 2014, 4:22 am

I wish they would do a study on this but maybe the autism is already present but the vaccine somehow exacerbates the symptoms, making the autism more severe? You hardly hear about the vaccine making a child develop Asperger's overnight after being given the vaccine. My autism actually got quite worse after some very severe and numerous seizures, brought on by severe anxiety and medication.

I was actually a bubbly social baby until I turned about two years old. I was given the MMR vaccine when I was entering kindergarten. I was a select mute after that but I'm unsure if it was the vaccine or just an overload from the extreme changes in my routine.

In any case, I think the vaccine is quite safe for the general population a small percentage may be sensitive to the effects. We with autism may be more sensitive to what goes into our bodies. I'm extremely sensitive to medicines, cream and certain types of foods. I can feel every slight discomfort happening in my body.

But yes, just a theory. I really don't have enough evidence or education to say it with 100% conviction.


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06 Feb 2014, 4:47 am

As a result of Wakefield's fraudulent paper, there have been a great many studies into the issue. If Autism were caused, in some cases anyway, by the vaccinations, then a great many of those studies should have found the necessary evidence. That after so many major studies that have failed to turn up any hint of a link, it is hardly likely that such a link exists.

In the very unlikely possibility that the link did exist, it would have to be for such a miniscule portion of the cases for it not to have been found that it is unlikely that it would have been found by chance.

Most people are rationalizing beings. That is, they will often force interpretations to fit what they want to believe rather than considering the actual evidence. That no such evidence exists matters little to those who want to believe that vaccinations cause Autism. They are going to interpret things to support their belief no matter how much twisted logic it takes.



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06 Feb 2014, 9:09 am

eric76 wrote:
As a result of Wakefield's fraudulent paper, there have been a great many studies into the issue. If Autism were caused, in some cases anyway, by the vaccinations, then a great many of those studies should have found the necessary evidence. That after so many major studies that have failed to turn up any hint of a link, it is hardly likely that such a link exists.


I'd also point out that the medical community is full of dishonest editing of publications that suppress medical findings that don't support a preferred view or sponsor.

Drug makers have more control over publications and approval of treatment than legitimate scientific researchers. Every drug that HARMS patients and gets recalled had abundant evidence that they were dangerous and WOULD harm patients before they were approved...they were just allowed to cherry-pick their research for FDA approval and trust medical journals to soft-peddle their product to health care providers.



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06 Feb 2014, 9:14 am

DevilKisses wrote:
I know that some people were definitely born autistic. I also believe that it's possible for vaccines and other trauma to cause autistic-like symptoms.


I wish I could take multiples and pick and choose qoutes, so don't think I am picking on you - OK? just one quote here I want to address all who wonder


correlation does NOT imply causation, just because things occur at the same time and rate does NOT mean one caused the other


murder rates went down as Internet explorer use went down - so Microsoft causes murder? or was it all those people who stopped being murdered are smarter and they are firefox users now so the rate of it is higher now?
http://chrisblattman.com/2013/05/24/cor ... gle-graph/

actual article on correlation/causation and autism

"Here for spreading far and wide is a graphical reminder of the important distinction between correlation and causation.

Redditor Jasonp55 writes that he was practicing Graph Pad when he produced the chart above and discovered the "real" cause of autism: organic food. "

http://io9.com/on-correlation-causation ... 1494972271

global temperature vs number of pirates
http://bama.ua.edu/~sprentic/101%20Psyc ... sation.htm


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06 Feb 2014, 9:46 am

zer0netgain wrote:
eric76 wrote:
As a result of Wakefield's fraudulent paper, there have been a great many studies into the issue. If Autism were caused, in some cases anyway, by the vaccinations, then a great many of those studies should have found the necessary evidence. That after so many major studies that have failed to turn up any hint of a link, it is hardly likely that such a link exists.


I'd also point out that the medical community is full of dishonest editing of publications that suppress medical findings that don't support a preferred view or sponsor.

Drug makers have more control over publications and approval of treatment than legitimate scientific researchers. Every drug that HARMS patients and gets recalled had abundant evidence that they were dangerous and WOULD harm patients before they were approved...they were just allowed to cherry-pick their research for FDA approval and trust medical journals to soft-peddle their product to health care providers.


Have you ever read any medical journals?