For people with classic Autism how do Aspies come Across?

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29 Jan 2014, 9:23 pm

My diagnosis is a recent one that says ASD however it would have been Aspergers in years gone by.

My level of functioning.

I live with my parents and I will be 40 this year.
My clothes are washed for me and I and not involved in household tasks.
I have never been in a relationship.
I have no friends or social life.

I have always worked however I was bullied for most of it.
I have started driving in the last few months.

I can pass for normal unless I have to talk too much or spend too much time with people.

I have gone on many international holidays and consumed generous amounts of Alcohol on all of them.

Having what is considered a high level of functioning for Autism I feel like I have failed in the NT world.

I feed constant pressure and anxiety trying to fit in with NTs in the workplace.

For people with so called classic Autism does somebody like me seem Autistic or NT in your eyes.



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29 Jan 2014, 9:27 pm

From what I hear, the only difference between the two is that Aspies never had language delays or loss, and people with classic autism (even HFA people) did, to one extent or another. Otherwise, the two catagories are the same.

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29 Jan 2014, 9:30 pm

Sethno wrote:
From what I hear, the only difference between the two is that Aspies never had language delays or loss, and people with classic autism (even HFA people) did, to one extent or another. Otherwise, the two catagories are the same.


That answers that functioning levels differ among people with the exact same diagnosis.

I stared a poll about how many Aspies have never been in a relationship and it was only about 25%.

I am in that 25%.



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29 Jan 2014, 10:15 pm

Also, many people diagnosed with AS did have various forms of language delay, they just didn't have late speech.



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29 Jan 2014, 10:19 pm

Verdandi wrote:
Also, many people diagnosed with AS did have various forms of language delay, they just didn't have late speech.



I'm still in a learning state with all of this, so this isn't me arguing...I want to learn.

How can you have a language delay, but not have late speech??


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29 Jan 2014, 10:35 pm

Sethno wrote:
Verdandi wrote:
Also, many people diagnosed with AS did have various forms of language delay, they just didn't have late speech.


How can you have a language delay, but not have late speech??


Developed single word speech by 2 years of age with very restricted (limited) words, could not really answer basic questions about experiences past age 3 (my experience).


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29 Jan 2014, 10:36 pm

Sethno wrote:
Verdandi wrote:
Also, many people diagnosed with AS did have various forms of language delay, they just didn't have late speech.



I'm still in a learning state with all of this, so this isn't me arguing...I want to learn.

How can you have a language delay, but not have late speech??


Like so:

(B) qualitative impairments in communication as manifested by at least one of the following:
1. delay in, or total lack of, the development of spoken language (not accompanied by an attempt to compensate through alternative modes of communication such as gesture or mime)
2. in individuals with adequate speech, marked impairment in the ability to initiate or sustain a conversation with others
3. stereotyped and repetitive use of language or idiosyncratic language
4. lack of varied, spontaneous make-believe play or social imitative play appropriate to developmental level

Apparently many people with AS meet the second criteria. I don't think there have been studies on the third criteria, but many people diagnosed with AS have reported experiencing that one. I did.



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29 Jan 2014, 11:11 pm

Sethno wrote:
How can you have a language delay, but not have late speech??


Speech and language are technically two different things. Speech is the production of particular sound patterns using your mouth and vocal chords. Language is an entire system of symbols and rules for how to use those symbols to communicate.

Somebody might speak late due to an articulation disorder (e.g. dysarthria), but have an otherwise perfectly normal ability to understand and use language (speech delay, no language delay).

Another person might have no trouble clearly speaking words at the age they're expected to, but have a very hard time figuring out the point of those words or how to use them to communicate things (language delay, no speech delay).


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29 Jan 2014, 11:42 pm

animalcrackers wrote:
Somebody might speak late due to an articulation disorder (e.g. dysarthria), but have an otherwise perfectly normal ability to understand and use language (speech delay, no language delay).

Another person might have no trouble clearly speaking words at the age they're expected to, but have a very hard time figuring out the point of those words or how to use them to communicate things (language delay, no speech delay).

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30 Jan 2014, 1:35 am

animalcrackers wrote:
Sethno wrote:
How can you have a language delay, but not have late speech??


Speech and language are technically two different things. Speech is the production of particular sound patterns using your mouth and vocal chords. Language is an entire system of symbols and rules for how to use those symbols to communicate.

Somebody might speak late due to an articulation disorder (e.g. dysarthria), but have an otherwise perfectly normal ability to understand and use language (speech delay, no language delay).

Another person might have no trouble clearly speaking words at the age they're expected to, but have a very hard time figuring out the point of those words or how to use them to communicate things (language delay, no speech delay).


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30 Jan 2014, 1:59 am

Whether someone appears autistic or neurotypical to me depends not on their daily functioning level or what they have accomplished in NT world, but their behaviors and general vibe when I interact with them. Most of the people I interact with appear BAP to me. Amongst the known autistic people, the majority appear autistic to me, while the minority appear like neurotypical introverts or shy people. The one significant thing is that most children with specifically asperger syndrome appear close to neurotypical to me. I think that this is due to the significant differences between me and them in childhood, the different developmental trajectories, and it was like I merged onto their freeway as I got older, so adults with specifically asperger syndrome don't appear signficiantly different from me.


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30 Jan 2014, 10:28 am

a lot of people-NT or not NT-in their twenties upwards now live with their parents due to lack of jobs and money-england,ireland and greece are big examples of how excepted this is.

not doing washing or house hold tasks doesnt say anything about someones functioning, it might say someone hasnt ever learnt to use those items or it has just always been accepted by those who do it and it has become a routine.

no friends or no social life-through truly not wanting them,or because of social difficulties,or because of not finding the right people/money for social life/chances etc?

never been in a relationship-is that because of never having found the right person, high standards, or asexuality?
if asexuality,its extremely common on the spectrum.

being bullied at work is unfortunately common for people who are different in any form,whether that be behavior,voice or look, people who cant think for themself and relie on group think will always pick on those who dont conform to their crazy idea of perfection.

have known many autistics who can drive,four of them are relatives of mine; dad,sister,uncle and cousin; the cousin has high functioning classic autism and he owns a newish car if remember correctly,it took him a bit longer but he did it,same with sister who is aspie-she had a lot of anxiety around it at first.

lots of autistics can emulate normalism,its the only world they have to live in so its sink or swim isnt it.
high functioning autistics fit in better with NT living and dont access the non mainstream parts of the community that those of us with lower functioning autism get put in,as in day centres,special colleges, residential homes,PHAB clubs etc.

all autistic relatives of mine,bar two [because theyre only three and nine] have gone on loads of international holidays,the company;virgin even do a scheme for autistic people going on holiday which allows many people;including severe and profound autists to get familiar with the experience and go on holiday.

one of them is a long time alcoholic and drinks a lot of booze every day, another-the classic autistic cousin loves beer.

stop trying to fit in-let it come naturaly,will never get anywhere if keep comparing self to people who experience life in a different way,everyone is different therefor there is no yardstick for life.
NT living doesnt have to be the standard to follow if are not suited to it.

as for the question,are autistic,not NT,autism presents differently in every single person,its why the stereotypes suck.



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30 Jan 2014, 12:43 pm

KingdomOfRats wrote:
a lot of people-NT or not NT-in their twenties upwards now live with their parents due to lack of jobs and money-england,ireland and greece are big examples of how excepted this is.

not doing washing or house hold tasks doesnt say anything about someones functioning, it might say someone hasnt ever learnt to use those items or it has just always been accepted by those who do it and it has become a routine.

no friends or no social life-through truly not wanting them,or because of social difficulties,or because of not finding the right people/money for social life/chances etc?

never been in a relationship-is that because of never having found the right person, high standards, or asexuality?
if asexuality,its extremely common on the spectrum.

being bullied at work is unfortunately common for people who are different in any form,whether that be behavior,voice or look, people who cant think for themself and relie on group think will always pick on those who dont conform to their crazy idea of perfection.

have known many autistics who can drive,four of them are relatives of mine; dad,sister,uncle and cousin; the cousin has high functioning classic autism and he owns a newish car if remember correctly,it took him a bit longer but he did it,same with sister who is aspie-she had a lot of anxiety around it at first.

lots of autistics can emulate normalism,its the only world they have to live in so its sink or swim isnt it.
high functioning autistics fit in better with NT living and dont access the non mainstream parts of the community that those of us with lower functioning autism get put in,as in day centres,special colleges, residential homes,PHAB clubs etc.

all autistic relatives of mine,bar two [because theyre only three and nine] have gone on loads of international holidays,the company;virgin even do a scheme for autistic people going on holiday which allows many people;including severe and profound autists to get familiar with the experience and go on holiday.

one of them is a long time alcoholic and drinks a lot of booze every day, another-the classic autistic cousin loves beer.

stop trying to fit in-let it come naturaly,will never get anywhere if keep comparing self to people who experience life in a different way,everyone is different therefor there is no yardstick for life.
NT living doesnt have to be the standard to follow if are not suited to it.

as for the question,are autistic,not NT,autism presents differently in every single person,its why the stereotypes suck.


Your posts make a lot of sense and your ten years younger then me too. :)



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30 Jan 2014, 1:48 pm

It's odd, because I talk to Aspies that are more independent than me, and yet I can see them making social mistakes I wouldn't make. I've come to the conclusion that many of the Aspies who are equal to NT in self-help skills and speaking ability are disadvantaged in other ways--it's like, they know how to talk, but when they talk they can't monitor other people. So I might use pre-recorded phrases or not say much at all, or lecture at somebody, but I'll get more of what they're trying to say to me than the Aspie who's speaking fluently in original sentences. On the other hand, they seem to find it so easy to pay bills or drive cars or go shopping, but those things are really difficult for me.

I'm somewhere odd on the spectrum, atypical autism, a random mix of issues. I would've been classic autism as a kid, though I'm too good now at speaking. My counselor says that I have "good insight", which means I am very aware of myself and my abilities and what's going on around me. Maybe that's the biggest difference. Some of the Aspies I've met don't know very much about themselves and aren't very aware of the mistakes they make. But then most of them are younger than me. I am 30 and most of the Aspies I know are fellow college students.


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30 Jan 2014, 1:56 pm

In response to your post Callista I am a 39 old Aspie and I think the biggest problem for people my age is we slipped through the cracks.



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30 Jan 2014, 2:28 pm

Social cluelessness, mistakes, lack of social insight, lack of social awareness are core autistic traits, so it's verry merry berry normal to me that autistic people would display these traits frequently. This is what I meant about behaviors and general vibe, the vibe including much social cluelessness, and social things that neurotypicals hold important are irrelevant to these people.

Things like driving a car, doing laundry, shopping, and paying bills, though they can be hard for a lot of autistic people, are not core autistic traits, so those are not criteria in my mind for whether someone appears autistic to me. To me, it's normal that autistic people would do these things well, and also normal that they wouldn't, and the same for neurtoypical people. Most of my neurotypical friends didn't know how to do laundry during freshman year of college (they had some screwups when they first did their own laundry), but I did mine smoothly from the beginning.


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