Very interesting article on Caetextia and Asperger's

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28 Mar 2014, 5:35 pm

My husband send me this and I found it very interesting. I thought I would share it here.
http://www.caetextia.com/pages/leftright.html


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28 Mar 2014, 5:57 pm

Many thanks for sharing that article.......I'm still mulling it over. Beyond Asperger's, this article illustrates the profound impact of the bilateral human brain. Just so interesting, yes? Hans Asperger had written (circa 1945) that the [high-functioning] autistic brain is highly specialised, our talents 'canalised into one speciality.' I know that at times I can have real frustration with putting my knowledge into practical context.

For me, dealing with highly emotive individuals can be, well, weird :scratch: Presumably because the Lab Pet is using the other hemisphere.


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28 Mar 2014, 7:23 pm

Once I started reading this, I was completely glued till the end. An incredibly enlightening article.This should be stickied, please.



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28 Mar 2014, 7:56 pm

very interesting article but did only read first page due to fatigue at the moment, but I will read on tomorrow.
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makes me happy to read you back.


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28 Mar 2014, 7:59 pm

I don't understand the article - I am both literal and imaginative.

Oops, never mind, I forgot to scroll down. :roll:



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28 Mar 2014, 10:02 pm

Thanks.
I didn't understand it, but it's interesting. I've never heard the word before. I need to process and wander around google for a while.

What does a new definition of autism (caetextia) have to do with the REM state? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QvItdnuG0Ec



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28 Mar 2014, 10:05 pm

Eloa wrote:
very interesting article but did only read first page due to fatigue at the moment, but I will read on tomorrow.
Rascal77s, you are back,
makes me happy to read you back.


Thank you Eloa. It's nice to see you again :D



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28 Mar 2014, 10:15 pm

I am glad to see such responses. I read it a couple of times because we found that it applied to me in ways. If you guys think it should be stickied I could ask one of the mods to do it since I don't know how to do that. I would definitely like to research this topic more if we can find more info on it.


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28 Mar 2014, 10:19 pm

skibum wrote:
I am glad to see such responses. I read it a couple of times because we found that it applied to me. If you guys think it should be stickied I could ask one of the mods to do it since I don't know how to do that. I would definitely like to research this topic more if we can find more info on it.


I personally feel this is essential information. And I believe that only a moderator sticky it. Hopefully a moderator will read this and respond.



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28 Mar 2014, 10:29 pm

I'm confused. Are people with right-brain caetextia also autistic/Asperger's?



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28 Mar 2014, 11:52 pm

Tahitiii wrote:
Thanks.
I didn't understand it, but it's interesting. I've never heard the word before. I need to process and wander around google for a while.

What does a new definition of autism (caetextia) have to do with the REM state? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QvItdnuG0Ec
This video is great!! Thank you for this. I am going to PM Talleyman right now to see if he will make this thread a sticky.


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29 Mar 2014, 1:17 am

Here is the lecture from the previously posted video in its entirety. It is in four parts.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FQbRPQBwVdU

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8hj-SUhGI2I

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1DP9pw3xqI8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7dmX7rP1xHo


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29 Mar 2014, 1:43 am

JSBACHlover wrote:
I'm confused. Are people with right-brain caetextia also autistic/Asperger's?
I am a little confused about that too. I listened to the entire lecture and I understand it a little more. But when I think about myself I definitely see strong elements of both sides. I tend to hyper-associate a lot and I have a vivid imagination but I also have a very strong side of the other side, I am very analytical and I am rigid in many ways and cannot manage a whole lot of variables like he was talking about. I also have trouble seeing the deeper contexts sometimes and my husband says that I lack empathy and the ability to understand the situations and feelings of others. I think I have empathy and I can understand the feelings of others a good bit of the time but not always. And maybe I think I do that better than I do because he tells me I don't do it as well as I think I do, at least not when it concerns him anyway. And I do meet all the DSM5 criteria for Asperger's/Autism Spectrum. I don't know if females present differently in these scenarios than males. But this is truly fascinating.

I think that I may have my own theory which might need to be explored as well. I am not a scientist or an expert in these matters at all and I do not know if I ever will be so these words are just my own thoughts about what I am thinking about my personal self. But from looking at my own behaviors and from what those who know me best say about me, I think that one of my issues which is something that I think should be further explored in Asperger's is that I think I have an inability for both hemispheres of the brain to work together and communicate properly with each other. And even though my right brain is very much less active and underdeveloped, I don't think it is completely dead or 100% nonexistent so whatever little bit it has going on, I think that there is a failure to be able to communicate with the other side. The reason I think this is that I show both sides of what he is talking about but I know that I am definitely not psychotic and I know that I am on the Autism Spectrum. But I believe that there is definitely a barrier between my two brains.

My husband says that I am very left brained as well and I have had therapists tell me that I have very little right brain activity and that my left brain has learned to grossly overcompensate for the lack of the right. But I do a lot of right brain type things like I do have a vivid imagination, I lean more towards arts and music and language than maths, and I am very gifted when it comes to hyper- association and I am super emotional even though, on the flip side, I can be extremely analytical, black and white, dogmatic, rigid, hyper-focused, and linear in my thinking. I also have difficulty understanding the deeper underlying concepts of certain types of things like he talks about. In fact, my husband tells me that he thinks that I am actually not capable of understanding some of these things. This has actually been a frustrating thing for us since we have been together and it was not until now when he read this article that he understood that I am actually not capable of understanding certain concepts. This was huge for us to realize and I know it will help us be closer to each other. I am also one of those people who can easily get bogged down in the details of a story. And I am ambidextrous as well as dyslexic. But my husband told me that even though I do right brained things I do them in my left brain.

For example, one time I had performed the National Anthem to open a sports event. After my performance someone from the audience told me that he was a Vietnam veteran and that in all his years that he had heard the anthem sung he had never been so moved as he was when he heard me. I asked my husband about that because I thought that for me to sing it the way that I had to have done it with my right brain. My husband told me that actually the reason why the guy was so moved is that I sang it in my left brain. I sang it as it was written and as it had originally been intended to be sung. And because I did that, I was able to express the song in its purest form and in its purest form, it is an incredibly moving piece of music. But my husband told me that even though I may do right brained type things and even though I have a great imagination, it is still very obvious that I am extremely left brained in how I function.

So I think there is much more to be explored in how this all works and I think that the connection between the two brain hemispheres and how they are able to communicate with each other or the lack of communication between the two is key and can really help us understand these conditions more completely. And I think that males and females may differ in what Joe Griffin was talking about too when it relates to Asperger's so I would love to see more study done on the differences there as well. But this is all very fascinating stuff.


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29 Mar 2014, 4:47 am

I've just finished reading the whole article ( a rare occurrence for me ).

It made a lot of sense to me & it closely reflects a report that was written about me last year.

Thanks for posting this.



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29 Mar 2014, 8:40 am

skibum wrote:
I believe that there is definitely a barrier between my two brains.
For me, it's not a barrier, but a bottle neck. It's there, but it's too slow to be useful in real time. That's one reason I like this place.
I can be creative, but only when I'm alone or for whatever reason the timing doesn't matter.

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My husband (and therapists) says that I am very left brained...
As for that "Theory of Mind" crap and Empathy, it goes both ways. People who think they're important or like to dominate want me to believe that, when he doesn't understand me, it's my fault; when I don't understand him, it's my fault again. The majority (NTs) don't need to stretch and contort themselves to understand us, or even acknowledge our existence. We have to do all the work and build all the bridges and, if we don't do it, it won't get done. Don't get me started.
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29 Mar 2014, 9:05 am

Tahitiii wrote:
skibum wrote:
I believe that there is definitely a barrier between my two brains.
For me, it's not a barrier, but a bottle neck. It's there, but it's too slow to be useful in real time. That's one reason I like this place.
I can be creative, but only when I'm alone or for whatever reason the timing doesn't matter.

I like your way of putting it. That makes a more sense than the barrier I think.

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My husband (and therapists) says that I am very left brained...
As for that "Theory of Mind" crap and Empathy, it goes both ways. People who think they're important or like to dominate want me to believe that, when he doesn't understand me, it's my fault; when I don't understand him, it's my fault again. The majority (NTs) don't need to stretch and contort themselves to understand us, or even acknowledge our existence. We have to do all the work and build all the bridges and, if we don't do it, it won't get done. Don't get me started.
"Throw Away the Master's Tools" http://neurocosmopolitanism.com/throw-a ... -paradigm/[/quote][/quote]

This is interesting and I have felt the way you describe many times.
I will look at this link you posted as well.


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