Why do some autistics lack the ability too hide it?

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04 Jun 2019, 9:20 am

Why do a large proportion of males with autism lack the ability too ‘mask’ there Aspergers compared too other males who have a knack for hiding there autism?

Do men with aspergers such as myself and many others although highly intelligent lack certain skills that helps us mask our aspergers symptoms?

I understand that many females have a different form of autism that makes it a lot harder for people to detect it so in this thread I want to focus more on the males with AS.



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04 Jun 2019, 10:20 am

Females get ignored, so it takes longer for people realize that they are different.



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04 Jun 2019, 10:21 am

BTDT wrote:
Females get ignored, so it takes longer for people realize that they are different.



Why do you think some people on the spectrum have the skills too hide there autism?



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04 Jun 2019, 10:25 am

I'm a female that cannot really hide it. It is quite obvious to people that something is up.


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04 Jun 2019, 4:13 pm

I'm female, but I think my autism presents itself in more of a masculine way, and I certainly have never been able to hide it. It does feel to me like "masking" is some sort of skill, sort of like acting, and just like most skills, I have no aptitude for it.


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04 Jun 2019, 4:48 pm

I often don't realize that I'm not masking as well as I think. Seeing myself on video, I'm not near as smiling, expressive, or socially adept as I think I'm being. Part of that is growing up without appreciating social cues as well as I thought I did.



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04 Jun 2019, 5:17 pm

Some aspies have more pronounced autism than others. The more pronounced it is the more obvious it is. Also the more pronounced it is the more likely it is the person lacks the self awareness needed to mask it.



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04 Jun 2019, 5:21 pm

If a person has Level 2 or Level 3 autism, it's virtually impossible to "hide" the autism.

Just like it's impossible, after a few years, for a person with Parkinson's to hide the fact that he/she has Parkinson's.



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04 Jun 2019, 7:21 pm

It is hard to mimic what you are clueless about.



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04 Jun 2019, 9:32 pm

Jamesy wrote:
Why do a large proportion of males with autism lack the ability too ‘mask’ there Aspergers compared too other males who have a knack for hiding there autism?

Do men with aspergers such as myself and many others although highly intelligent lack certain skills that helps us mask our aspergers symptoms?

I understand that many females have a different form of autism that makes it a lot harder for people to detect it so in this thread I want to focus more on the males with AS.

Another masking thread, the 4th on the 1st page of GAD! lol You all REALLY love this topic. As far as I know, a higher percentage of women mask than men do, and I'm guess the difference is actually pretty large.



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04 Jun 2019, 9:56 pm

Men and women both mask. Dr. Attwood has said women have a greater knack for it.

* Level, as kraftiekortie & EzraS said has a huge bearing on the possibility/effectiveness and awareness of occasion for masking.
* How rested, amount of previous & current stress, life demands you're dealing with affects masking effectiveness too.



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04 Jun 2019, 10:15 pm

Exuvian wrote:
Men and women both mask. Dr. Attwood has said women have a greater knack for it.

* Level, as kraftiekortie & EzraS said has a huge bearing on the possibility/effectiveness and awareness of occasion for masking.
* How rested, amount of previous & current stress, life demands you're dealing with affects masking effectiveness too.

I think it's more than that. From what I see of ND men (the overwhelming majority of my support group), only a small percentage I would say present as NT. Yes people's guards are down in a support group, sure. But I don't see most of these guys passing for ND. I just don't. I mean I'm not saying if I'd just met them or ran into them on the street or something that I'd be able to say, "Damn he's clearly on the spectrum!" But there's a good chance I might think "That dude's got some issues upstairs". Most guys I've seen at least here in my city on the spectrum aren't like that, they just don't pass for NT. I'm not necessarily saying most ND women do pass for NT, but I am saying they both do it far better and just do it period much more often.



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04 Jun 2019, 10:22 pm

I do think some stems from the lack of self-awareness if not the lack of self-monitoring, if not the lack of certain levels certain concepts of social rules, if not the lack of physical capacity to, along with the lack of external orientation to partner this with.

Then there's other factors, if one happened to have a stim that is visible or loud, easily triggered, or certain oddities that cannot get away with, or heck just happened to not appear conversational.
And then there's this weird egocentry-allocentry orientation with barely in between.


Self-awareness (knowing why do you this, what's happening around you, etc.), social concepts (includes lists of dos and don'ts -- both observed and theorized), self-monitoring (that includes not-being impulsive/fewer to no compulsions), physical capacity (posture, voice, not dropping things or tripping on places, etc.), or sensory tolerances (not prone of meltdowns and shutdowns/lesser need to stim).
Take only three or less. :twisted: But I'm very sure it's more complicated than this.



In my case... Mine is just... Mostly physical capacity to, then is being driven by pride along with less need for stuff, the rest is blurry and I happened to get away with it most at the time.
I do have the aptitude for acting, but no willingness; I don't and I won't.
And my autism representation is.. I'm pretty sure it leans to overt masculine like representation, despite having feminine like inclinations. Couldn't seem to fit at either.

All I have to do, is straighten up and not do anything that is logically or appear stupid. Not anymore extensive than that.
The rest is mood, current executive function levels and the situation or event.


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05 Jun 2019, 12:25 am

You can't hide once you have an unbelievable cold emotional radiation (aura) as many people on the spectrum show.


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05 Jun 2019, 2:20 am

Jamesy wrote:
Do men with aspergers such as myself and many others although highly intelligent.


I'm sorry but I couldn't help notice that you declare that you are "highly intelligent" which makes me wonder why you would therefore ask such a basic question? I would recommend you research this yourself by reading online journals