28% of murderers thought to have suffered from ASD

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Funny you should ask for that, as you never provided evidence to the contrary in a previous debate on this subject in the News and Current Events forum: viewtopic.php?f=21&t=200813&start=45

But I don't mind providing evidence:
Dr Mohammad Ghaziuddin studied this and found no evidence of higher rates of crime (and some evidence of lower rates of criminal conviction) in autistic populations. Specifically cited in his article in Current Psychiatry (http://www.currentpsychiatry.com/home/a ... 2abe2.html) is the paper "Haskins BG, Silva JA. Asperger’s disorder and criminal behavior: Forensic-psychiatric considerations. J Am Acad Psychiatry Law. 2006;34(3):374-384." which provided this information: "In a clinical sample of 313 Danish adults with ASD (age 25 to 59) drawn from the Danish Register of Criminality, Mouridsen and colleagues found that persons with ASD had a lower rate of criminal conviction than matched controls (9%, compared with 18%)."

So there you go, a shred of evidence to support my claim. I have yet to see a similar shred of evidence to support the accusation that autistic people murder or commit acts of violence at higher rates than other people.


I am convinced by the reasoning presented by Emily Willingham in Forbes on this topic: http://www.forbes.com/sites/emilywillin ... -autistic/

Some brief excerpts:


It's a well considered, well written piece. I recommend it to anyone interested in this topic.

This may be a basis for indication. http://www.internetjournalofcriminology ... People.pdf The article states that although there is reluctance to link autism spectrum disorders to violent crime, an indication is available (which may present the basis for future research on whether autism may actually indicate a lesser or greater likelihood to violent crime). On a side note, the article doesn't mention much about comorbids, which may be a factor needed for consideration. Otherwise, I am completely apathetic about if people become emotional about it and think it may pose a threat to the community. I will still follow the latest studies out of personal interest, awaiting a result (I don't mind if the result indicates a lesser likelihood or a greater likelihood).

However what I know from more recent studies is that in overall crime, people on the spectrum are far less likely to commit crime (taking any crime into consideration). However crimes actually committed [by people on the spectrum] seem mostly to be either arson or domestic violence (physical harm to family members or people known).

If you can read, then you should need to get mad or offended. It needs to be read literally and should not be open for interpretation. If you still don't understand it, then either reread or ask me to type it in simpler terms. Sadly I cannot post direct links to some studies as you would need an account on IEEE and those are difficult to get and if I do copy/paste mentions studies, then I could run into legal problems.

However here are some alternatives available on the issue:

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The referenced articles rather form deviating views on the issue.

My simple point is: I see the topic worthy of research and further discovery to achieve better insight, no matter whether people fear that it may have outcomes they hadn't hoped for or not.

And dammit Adamantium, I ended the last debate with you because you did not listen to me and twisted my words. Instead I was accused of making claims, when my whole point was to allow research on the topic no matter the result. Currently only few studies have really been done.

On a side note: This will be my late post in this thread because some people just take everything personal on this site.

I am truly sorry to have hurt your feelings.

I am not always tactful and can be very dogged in pursuing a thought or line of argument--perhaps to a fault.
I very much regret that my posts have distressed you.

I do agree that all these subjects need study, though the researchers should work harder not to reach conclusions not supported by their data or predetermine their findings, as the Glasgow team did in the story that started this thread. Emily Willingham's piece in Forbes really does make the case for a more balanced approach well.

Please be well, Aniihya.

Okay this is really my last post in the thread. Apology accepted. I admit that I also may be rather intense at times. But sometimes you get tired of miscommunication (at which often both sides take the blame such as I am not well at expression of my thoughts as I sometimes cant find the correct words to describe my thoughts). I would like to reiterate that I do not have bias on any conclusion but rather would like to see further research to get a stable foundation on the matter.

We all can get out of hand on the forums. I think it's part of autism. Please remember that we all share more than not...

...Let's go .

The way I see it, a murderer is a murderer, whether they're Aspie or NT or Schizophrenic or whatever. Blaming murder and other crimes on Autism just generates more stigma against the Autistic community, even though the vast majority of us are harmless, and the ones that are liable to murder are just despicable. I know I'm not capable of murder. It's a bit like saying XX% of Muslims are terrorists, and blaming terrorism on Muslims and making the rest of the general population turn against Muslims, just because of some statistic spread all over the media and gullible people believe it.

My dad explained to me that anyone like us are still more likely to be victims, even if I was a criminal with ASD.

That's true for everyone. Every criminal who commits a violent crime against someone has at least one victim. Since some, if not most, have more than one victim there will always be more victims than criminals.

That makes sense, but my dad is saying that there are complicated reasons why most people with mental health and developmental disorders are more likely to be victims of crimes then the general population.


That does not mean that we are not capable of being criminals.

More nonsense? Great, what we all need on top of everything else.

Who cares anymore? Let the idiots think what they want to think. We can't stop them.

I think we are entitled to own opinions, even if our opinions can be right or wrong

Your dad is correct.

This thread is so triggering. Why is it summoned from its grave?