How I distinguish high functioning Autism v.s Aspies, IQ

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I think Aspies diagnosis should be restricted to people who fit DSM-IV traits + IQ over130 (i.e Mensa IQ)

High functioning Autism above but with IQ 80-129.

A high IQ plus intense obsessive focus in an intellectual academic scientific subject
potential genius Aspie

where did you get your degree in psychology or medicine?

perhaps i should use the term mensa-aspie or gifted aspie

yeah im just making this up

Yeah, we're all makin' all this stuff up.

Actually, based on what I read, HFA means an autistic that is high functioning(Not ret*d, able to handle their own care, etc...). I guess, in a way, every high functioning autistic, including Aspies could fit that. Aspie means normal or above IQ, no significant development delays, except social, the interests, etc....

Steve

What a load of rubbish. I would still qualify for Aspie anyway with an IQ of 155, but what the hell does that matter? It is not dependent on IQ. Why create even more barriers and confusion than already exist? I mean, the person who originally suggested the term 'Aspergers' be used even regrets this now, suggesting it should have just been included under the unbrella term of 'Autism'. Some even refute whether there is a different between HFA and AS in psychological circles.

Dr. Tony Attwood, in his book The Complete Guide to Asperger's Syndrome, said that there is no meaningful distinction between AS and HFA since their symptoms and treatment are the same. On the other hand, other sources do make a distinction between the two, chiefly being that in HFA there is a delay in language development absent in AS.

It is so comforting when the 'experts' cannot even decide among themselves, lol. Maybe the aspergers community should be left to make the decisions on this one since they seem unable to decide one way or another.

I understand, to you the world is made up of two groups, 130+ and 80-129. Mensa marterial, and everyone else. I have met Mensa, what a strange can of worms, I quickly left. Those people have issues.

While I do have, "intense obsessive focus in an intellctual academic scientific subject." several in fact, and a genius IQ, I also watch The Simpsons.

As far as I can tell this is an Asylum run by the inmates,a place where people know who Hank Scorpio is, and why he is a cultural icon.

Books on academic scientific subjects are everywhere, they have their good points. Intelligence is good, or can be, I do not relate to Mensa, and the higest IQ group in America is in Marion Ill. at the Maximun Security Prison, doing fifty to ten thousand years, and I hope they never get out. Not sure, but I think Hannibal Lector was in the sub basement.

I cannot draw, have no musical talent, and a thousand other lacks. I do see aspies as being like me, not counting talents, I see a common world view, sadly it has a downside, we have been there, but also an up side, they cheer me up, I laugh out loud, a real laugh, at the humor.

Young, old, male, female, there is a common culture.

I have no idea what it means, but I am enjoying it.

Great, now we get to hear what everyone's IQ is, again.

squaretail,

Well, it IS kind of comforting. NO, I'll spare you!

Graelwyn,

I would still qualify for AS also, but there is no reason to get so upset. And AS does help to dissuade some concerns, where HFA may cause some unnecessary concerns.

Actually Xenon, The two statements aren't contradictory, and don't conflict with mine. Most HFA people DO develop language, and most of those may end up looking like AS. THAT is why psychologists, etc... Often ask to talk to the parents to determine if the person is AS. If they look like AS, and had no delay, they are AS. If they are IDENTICAL, and DID have a delay, they may be considered HFA. HECK, the HFA person MIGHT even be smarter!

Steve

Actually, lol, I was not upset. Using certain words like 'Hell' does not necessarily mean someone is upset, certainly not in my case anyway.

Naw, It was the overall tone. Frankly, I'm happy with the DSM as it is. HEY, human makes NO distinction based on IQ. HFA says you at least aren't really ret*d. AS says you are at least generally in the normal range. SO, on an IQ basis, HFA and AS are better than mere human which CAN be ret*d. AS implies more than HFA but loses some significance after 2yo.

I think increasing the IQ requirement to 130+ would do nothing other than make it elitist. That isn't the goal in having a DSM entry.

Steve

Totally agree, although I must admit, at times I become highly cynical, and think to myself, why the hell do humans have to create so many labels and boxes in the first place, just to explain the differences between people? It seems sort of strange in itself to me, at times... and yet, we are all...or most of us...so eager to be able to place ourselves under a label so that we fit in somewhere at least, and can find some who share our difficulties/interests/etc. Just something I think about a lot. It is annoying because it is incredibly hard to break that basic 'need' to fit in somewhere...to feel a part of some group or other. It would be interesting to theorise on what would need to change for all these labels to not be required, but I don't think that is possible as we seem to need labels and names for understanding.

Reminds me what a college professor told me. "We could easily reduce the high school
drop out rate by lowering the requirements to get a degree". Which basically means
you can change the definition of things to get any results you want. But the word "pointless" comes to mind.

lol