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05 Aug 2014, 2:55 pm

Why would an autistic person be stigmatised in a society/community that's puts 'high value' on personal independence?



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05 Aug 2014, 3:47 pm

because we are different and disabled,some of us very visibly so.
people fear what they dont understand,so then they stigmatise us to with all the ignorance they know about ASDs.

society also places a lot of worth upon a persons ability to contribute to society and look after themselves,many of us on the spectrum cannot directly contribute to society financialy nor look after ourselves for varying reasons and are collectively seen very negatively.


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05 Aug 2014, 4:19 pm

It's just life.

What's wrong with empowering people to be indeoendent?



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05 Aug 2014, 4:24 pm

Jamesy wrote:
Why would an autistic person be stigmatised in a society/community that's puts 'high value' on personal independence?


Fascinating question, i have been wondering that myself for years.
Everybody seems very selfish these days. Women like to be independent ( usually means 3 kids from 3 different papa's and still single) and people absolutely hate it to feel invisible chains when they are with friends or family.

Have you ever had this female friend turn into a depression after her relationship has ended? Well, it is not because of ending the relationship, but because she feels completely alone again. If the relationship lasted long enough - like, years - the situation has changed alot from back when it all started. This usually means that their former friends have all settled with their lovers, started a family or cannot be arsed to go out anymore. This makes alot of people feel depressed and many dont even end their relationship because of the loneliness thereafter, even if they are not happy.

I've been asked the question "How do you do it" a few times by the above stereotype. Do what?
"Function alone". I guess NT people just dont know how to entertain themselves alone anymore. Going to the cinema alone is totally for losers right? there must always be atleast another person for it to be 'fun', right?

I assume people with AS may experience loneliness and depressions alot in their lives, but NT people are even worse off once they are thrown into the abyss and they have absolutely no one to visit or call. I openly stated to a few people that i wish to remain single for as long as i can and some NT in a relationship do seem to envy me. I can go and do whatever i want, go on vacations anywhere i want and fill the agenda however i like it. It's just that our independence NO WAY compensates for our social defects.

I tend to think "What a complete idiot, you have no IDEA what it is like to be different and being ridiculed everywhere" whenever i get compliments about how awesome it must be to be left alone for a month or so by everyone. If those populair guys / girls get tired of the loneliness they can just turn their cellphones on again.. but we dont have a 'on' switch!



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05 Aug 2014, 5:13 pm

Because ... Well, I will let Brian "Life of Brian" Cohen explain it all:

Brian: Look, you've got it all wrong! You don't NEED to follow ME, You don't NEED to follow ANYBODY! You've got to think for your selves! You're ALL individuals!
The Crowd: Yes! We're all individuals!
Brian: You're all different!
The Crowd: Yes, we ARE all different!
Man in crowd: I'm not....
The Crowd: Shh!

So, humans don't like being individuals despite what they say.


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05 Aug 2014, 5:56 pm

Jamesy wrote:
Why would an autistic person be stigmatised in a society/community that's puts 'high value' on personal independence?

There are tens of thousands of reasons.
Everything from 'your hair'z messy' to 'hate your big brainz.'
Maybe I don't understand your question, it seems stunningly over-general like, "Why would people do naughty things?"

There's also the question of, "Why do you think you're stigmatized?" (perhaps you're not - so test for certainty)
And
What makes you think that a specific society/community actually and truly puts a 'high value' on personal independence even if they "claim" they do? (perhaps they don't)


People need to be motivated to like/accept other people, if you cannot find a motivation that works - guess what happens?
At best they'll ignore you and that could look a lot like social stigma.


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