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FemiRocker93
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19 Aug 2014, 7:30 pm

This is a movie that came out a while back. Sean Penn plays and autistic man who is trying to raise his young daughter ( played by Dakota Fanning) at one point he has an outburst at her birthday party. The judge basically says that he is not capable of raising a child. His daughter is then taken away and placed in foster care, with the help of a dedicated lawyer he fights to get her back and in the end it is a success.

I think almost everyone is capable is raising a child I know a autistic couple that raised 2 adult children



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19 Aug 2014, 7:34 pm

FemiRocker93 wrote:
This is a movie that came out a while back. Sean Penn plays and autistic man who is trying to raise his young daughter ( played by Dakota Fanning) at one point he has an outburst at her birthday party. The judge basically says that he is not capable of raising a child. His daughter is then taken away and placed in foster care, with the help of a dedicated lawyer he fights to get her back and in the end it is a success.

I think almost everyone is capable is raising a child I know a autistic couple that raised 2 adult children


I disagee on one point there lots of people out there who should not be raising children among the NT population.

Thanks for the heads up on the movie I watched the movie Adam the other week and really enjoyed it.



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19 Aug 2014, 9:14 pm

Please forgive me:

Sam was not autistic; he was a person with a moderate intellectual disability, but was definitely NT.

He hung out with at least one person with autism, when they had "movie night."

Adam was certainly Aspergian.



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19 Aug 2014, 9:16 pm

the film is about a man with intelectual disability with autistic traits,am actualy aware of a lot of intelectualy disabled parents in this country;some that know personaly.

used to live in a residential home with a lady who had moderate ID,she was in her sixties,she had had a child in her youth with a boyfriend and her parents had quickly gave the child up to her sister, making her bring it up as her own,society shunned intelectualy disabled people at that time making it impossible for families to be seen associated with us so j coud never have been supported to bring up her child.

j knew her as her cousin, and 'her cousin' sometimes visited, am not sure if she knew who j really was, but this was from a time when intelectual disability was frowned upon in the family and hidden away.
j developed dementia quite quickly [or alzheimers,she was going through the assessments for it when last lived there] and she lost her ability to do anything for self and the only thing she remembered over and over was her 'cousin' as a young girl,she woud have been a good mum with support,she had been a good mum to her cat up until she developed the dementia.

some people woud be terrible parents,am one of them; am unable to look after self and require two to one support with everything including looking after the rabbits, have got a very disconnected view of humans seeing them visualy and mentaly as the same object and worth,am ok as an auntie though as theres no looking after them its just buying them presents and tickling them like dogs;are suddenly the nice one of the family to them because the mum doesnt want to spoil them.
its easy to gain respect off kids.


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19 Aug 2014, 9:49 pm

I am Sam
Sam I am

That Sam-I-am
That Sam-I-am!
I do not like
that Sam-I-am

Do you like
green eggs and ham

I do not like them,
Sam-I-am.
I do not like
green eggs and ham.

Would you like them
Here or there?

I would not like them
here or there.
I would not like them
anywhere.
I do not like
green eggs and ham.
I do not like them,
Sam-I-am

Would you like them
in a house?
Would you like them
with a mouse?

I do not like them
in a house.
I do not like them
with a mouse.
I do not like them
here or there.
I do not like them
anywhere.
I do not like green eggs and ham.
I do not like them, Sam-I-am.


Would you eat them
in a box?
Would you eat them
with a fox?

Not in a box.
Not with a fox.
Not in a house.
Not with a mouse.
I would not eat them here or there.
I would not eat them anywhere.
I would not eat green eggs and ham.
I do not like them, Sam-I-am.

Would you? Could you?
in a car?
Eat them! Eat them!
Here they are.

I woould not,
could not,
in a car

You may like them.
You will see.
You may like them
in a tree?

I would not, could not in a tree.
Not in a car! You let me be.
I do not like them in a box.
I do not like them with a fox
I do not like them in a house
I do mot like them with a mouse
I do not like them here or there.
I do not like them anywhere.
I do not like green eggs and ham.
I do not like them, Sam-I-am.

A train! A train!
A train! A train!
Could you, would you
on a train?

Not on a train! Not in a tree!
Not in a car! Sam! Let me be!
I would not, could not, in a box.
I could not, would not, with a fox.
I will not eat them with a mouse
I will not eat them in a house.
I will not eat them here or there.
I will not eat them anywhere.
I do not like them, Sam-I-am.


Say!
In the dark?
Here in the dark!
Would you, could you, in the dark?

I would not, could not,
in the dark.

Would you, could you,
in the rain?

I would not, could not, in the rain.
Not in the dark. Not on a train,
Not in a car, Not in a tree.
I do not like them, Sam, you see.
Not in a house. Not in a box.
Not with a mouse. Not with a fox.
I will not eat them here or there.
I do not like them anywhere!

You do not like
green eggs and ham?

I do not
like them,
Sam-I-am.

Could you, would you,
with a goat?

I would not,
could not.
with a goat!

Would you, could you,
on a boat?

I could not, would not, on a boat.
I will not, will not, with a goat.
I will not eat them in the rain.
I will not eat them on a train.
Not in the dark! Not in a tree!
Not in a car! You let me be!
I do not like them in a box.
I do not like them with a fox.
I will not eat them in a house.
I do not like them with a mouse.
I do not like them here or there.
I do not like them ANYWHERE!

I do not like
green egss
and ham!

I do not like them,
Sam-I-am.

You do not like them.
SO you say.
Try them! Try them!
ANd you may.
Try them and you may I say.

Sam!
If you will let me be,
I will try them.
You will see.

Say!
I like green eggs and ham!
I do! I like them, Sam-I-am!
And I would eat them in a boat!
And I would eat them with a goat...
And I will eat them in the rain.
And in the dark. And on a train.
And in a car. And in a tree.
They are so goodm so goodm you see!

So I will eat them in a box.
And I will eat them with a fox.
And I will eat them in a house.
And I will eat them with a mouse.
And I will eat them here and there.
Say! I will eat them ANHYWHERE!

I do so like
green eggs and ham!
Thank you!
Thank you,
Sam-I-am

What is this post about? I don't really know. :D


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20 Aug 2014, 12:11 am

I just have to say that "I am Sam" is one of my absolute favorite movies of all time.


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20 Aug 2014, 12:39 am

Sam had an intellectual disability with autistic tenancies. Also Lucy's school called social services because they were concerned about Lucy and Sam's disability and how he would handle her and raise her since she was reaching his level. But then it worked out at the end, he still got to be in his daughter's life and I think they did open adoption or something. Sam did want Lucy to have a mother and he admitted he can't always do it himself.

I also do not consider anyone with an intellectual disability NT


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20 Aug 2014, 12:51 am

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I also do not consider anyone with an intellectual disability NT
Not trying to contradict you or change your thinking on this or anything like that but I am just wondering out of curiosity if all intellectual disabilities are neurological. It made me wonder because I saw a documentary where a perfectly normal 100% NT 11 year old boy was hit by a train while crossing the tracks on his bike and survived but after the accident he could no longer function as an 11 year old. His mental and emotional capacities were now those of a child less than a year old. I am wondering if his neurology would have actually changed. Like would he still be an NT because he had been born one. Or now after the accident would he cease to be NT now that he had become intellectually disabled?


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20 Aug 2014, 1:11 am

skibum wrote:
League_Girl wrote:

I also do not consider anyone with an intellectual disability NT
Not trying to contradict you or change your thinking on this or anything like that but I am just wondering out of curiosity if all intellectual disabilities are neurological. It made me wonder because I saw a documentary where a perfectly normal 100% NT 11 year old boy was hit by a train while crossing the tracks on his bike and survived but after the accident he could no longer function as an 11 year old. His mental and emotional capacities were now those of a child less than a year old. I am wondering if his neurology would have actually changed. Like would he still be an NT because he had been born one. Or now after the accident would he cease to be NT now that he had become intellectually disabled?


I think brain damage is a change to your neurology....brain tissue is actually damaged -- brain cells die and neuronal connections that are responsible for certain cognitive tasks, motor control, memories, etc. are lost. I know that sometimes lost skills can be relearned, so in that case I don't know if a person would still be NT by definition or not -- but if a person had permanent loss of normal NT cognition then I would think they wouldn't be NT anymore.


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20 Aug 2014, 1:36 am

What I find interesting is to have an ID, it has to be onset before 18 years of age so what happens when someone has an accident over 18 years of age and then they are now cognitive functioning at a level of a child?


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20 Aug 2014, 2:11 am

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skibum wrote:
League_Girl wrote:

I also do not consider anyone with an intellectual disability NT
Not trying to contradict you or change your thinking on this or anything like that but I am just wondering out of curiosity if all intellectual disabilities are neurological. It made me wonder because I saw a documentary where a perfectly normal 100% NT 11 year old boy was hit by a train while crossing the tracks on his bike and survived but after the accident he could no longer function as an 11 year old. His mental and emotional capacities were now those of a child less than a year old. I am wondering if his neurology would have actually changed. Like would he still be an NT because he had been born one. Or now after the accident would he cease to be NT now that he had become intellectually disabled?


I think brain damage is a change to your neurology....brain tissue is actually damaged -- brain cells die and neuronal connections that are responsible for certain cognitive tasks, motor control, memories, etc. are lost. I know that sometimes lost skills can be relearned, so in that case I don't know if a person would still be NT by definition or not -- but if a person had permanent loss of normal NT cognition then I would think they wouldn't be NT anymore.
That makes sense.


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20 Aug 2014, 2:13 am

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What I find interesting is to have an ID, it has to be onset before 18 years of age so what happens when someone has an accident over 18 years of age and then they are now cognitive functioning at a level of a child?
Perhaps it's called something other than an ID if it is from an accident.


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20 Aug 2014, 10:19 pm

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I also do not consider anyone with an intellectual disability NT


Then that would automatically cut out the majority of my friends.


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21 Aug 2014, 12:18 am

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I also do not consider anyone with an intellectual disability NT


Then that would automatically cut out the majority of my friends.



why?


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21 Aug 2014, 12:24 am

"Cut out the majority of your friends"--you mean, from being NT, or from being your friends? I don't think being NT or not has anything to do with whether you can be someone's friend... Do you mean that most of your friends are not neurotypical? If so, that's true for many of us. There's something about having an odd brain that makes it easier to learn how to deal with people who think differently from oneself, probably just because we practice that skill so often.

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What I find interesting is to have an ID, it has to be onset before 18 years of age so what happens when someone has an accident over 18 years of age and then they are now cognitive functioning at a level of a child?
Perhaps it's called something other than an ID if it is from an accident.
Traumatic brain injury (TBI). Intellectual disability has the connotation of having been present from early on--a developmental disorder rather than an acquired injury.

Yep, TBI can cause quite severe impairment, or barely-there. It all depends on just where you get hurt and how much of the brain got damaged.


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21 Aug 2014, 1:56 am

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"Cut out the majority of your friends"--you mean, from being NT, or from being your friends? I don't think being NT or not has anything to do with whether you can be someone's friend... Do you mean that most of your friends are not neurotypical? If so, that's true for many of us. There's something about having an odd brain that makes it easier to learn how to deal with people who think differently from oneself, probably just because we practice that skill so often.

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What I find interesting is to have an ID, it has to be onset before 18 years of age so what happens when someone has an accident over 18 years of age and then they are now cognitive functioning at a level of a child?
Perhaps it's called something other than an ID if it is from an accident.
Traumatic brain injury (TBI). Intellectual disability has the connotation of having been present from early on--a developmental disorder rather than an acquired injury.

Yep, TBI can cause quite severe impairment, or barely-there. It all depends on just where you get hurt and how much of the brain got damaged.



I have read and heard about people getting ID due to brain damage and it occurred in their youth or infancy because of shaken baby syndrome. My dad even taught special ed in the 70's and they got a new student who used to be normal and then he drowned and it cut off some circulation to his brain so he was brain damaged and ended up being ID my dad told me. We even had a boy who lived in our neighborhood who also had that too from drowning in a pool when he was three. My mom said he had brain damage so he was ret*d, the word she used. But what if this all happened after 18 years of age?


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