Do aspie's display traits of Bipolar Disorder?

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04 Dec 2014, 11:58 pm

I have issues that seem to be traits of being bipolar, such as occasional mood swings and feeling deeply depressed. Is this also a trait of Asperger's? Might I have bipolar disorder as well? Is it even possible to have both?


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05 Dec 2014, 2:01 am

Bipolar can affect any group - normocentric or not. Some NTs are bipolar; some ASD people are bipolar. Most, in both groups, are not. The way your title question is framed - though you probably didn't intend this - translates to "Are people with Aspergers psychiatrically ill?" That's rather unfortunate.

You may or may not be bipolar. People without bipolar experience mood swings and bouts of (usually reactive) depression.

What usually happens when people answer questions like yours is answers that typically go: "Oh yes bipolar is a co-morbid". One could also say that bi-polar is co-morbid with any form of neurotype, because no type is exempt. Jargon doesn't make things more factual. I am tired of the "co-morbid" terminology that is borrowed from the language of psychiatry. I don't think it is very helpful in understanding the hows and whys of the constellation of different things which affect people.



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05 Dec 2014, 2:13 am

Most of the medicine that i have been given since being diagnosed are also given to people with bipolar disorders.

It helps stabilize my every day mood and my emotional reactions to other things. I have never been diagnosed with bipolar disorder though. You could have both or you could just be a bit moody.

Everything that happens with a person doesn't have to be a disorder. If you are worried talk to your doctor.

(I feel like i might be sounding rude. That is not my intention, so if it is rude Sorry.)



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05 Dec 2014, 10:32 am

B19 wrote:
Bipolar can affect any group - normocentric or not. Some NTs are bipolar; some ASD people are bipolar. Most, in both groups, are not. The way your title question is framed - though you probably didn't intend this - translates to "Are people with Aspergers psychiatrically ill?" That's rather unfortunate.

You may or may not be bipolar. People without bipolar experience mood swings and bouts of (usually reactive) depression.

What usually happens when people answer questions like yours is answers that typically go: "Oh yes bipolar is a co-morbid". One could also say that bi-polar is co-morbid with any form of neurotype, because no type is exempt. Jargon doesn't make things more factual. I am tired of the "co-morbid" terminology that is borrowed from the language of psychiatry. I don't think it is very helpful in understanding the hows and whys of the constellation of different things which affect people.


But there may be a relationship between autism and bipolar in some significant number of cases.

Bipolar is uncommon among autistics but occurs at a much higher rate than in non-autistic people. This was shown clearly in Dr. Lisa Croen's study of ASD in adults released back in April. There was also a study on Bipolar and Autism in the Journal of Clinical Psychiatry
There were also a number of studies including widely reported work from the Psychiatric Genomics Consortium that showed common genetic variations in ASDs and a variety of psychiatric disorders, consistent with the data reported by Dr. Croen.

Since most of these disorders are idiopathic, there isn't much more that can be done than to note correlations and continue research, but there does seem to be something there.

[Edited to add:]
It occurs to me that I may be guilty of using jargon, there--by idiopathic I mean the causes and their developmental processes are unknown.



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05 Dec 2014, 12:42 pm

I have mood swings but I am definitely not Bipolar. I just have anxiety and I have been told I have PMS. I also thought mood swings were a woman thing because of our hormones.

I thought mood swings were not a symptom of autism. Yes you can have both Bipolar and autism.


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05 Dec 2014, 12:45 pm

I would say that it is clear that most people with Autism suffer with significantly more than an a average amount of depression. Thus most people with ASD share that common symptom. Similarly both people with OCD - Obsessive Compulsive Disorder and most people with Autism usually have special interest in with which they are extremely preoccupied. Thus on the surface level the preoccupation trait of someone with ASD and the obsessions of someone with OCD trait might appear to be similar. But from what I gather the nature of depression of someone with ASD is usually fundamentally different in the process than someone with Bipolar Disorder- just as the preoccupation of someone with ASD is usually a fundamentally different process than someone with OCD. Of course there are people who are comorbid or perhaps even have all three.


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05 Dec 2014, 12:58 pm

B19 wrote:
Bipolar can affect any group - normocentric or not. Some NTs are bipolar; some ASD people are bipolar. Most, in both groups, are not. The way your title question is framed - though you probably didn't intend this - translates to "Are people with Aspergers psychiatrically ill?" That's rather unfortunate.


I don't think your intention was to perpetuate the stigma against the mentally ill, but arguably your post could be interpreted that way. Why would it make a difference if people with Asperger's were psychiatrically ill? Would it be something to be ashamed of?

Anyway, it's clearly possible for autism to be co-morbid with bipolar depression and a number of other conditions. I've never considered myself to have bipolar, because I don't have mania. However, I do have periods of increased agitation and irritability (actually I'm always irritable <_<), which is possibly a subset of bipolar disorder: 'agitated' or 'atypical' depression, it's sometimes known as.



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05 Dec 2014, 3:39 pm

NiceCupOfTea wrote:
B19 wrote:
Bipolar can affect any group - normocentric or not. Some NTs are bipolar; some ASD people are bipolar. Most, in both groups, are not. The way your title question is framed - though you probably didn't intend this - translates to "Are people with Aspergers psychiatrically ill?" That's rather unfortunate.


I don't think your intention was to perpetuate the stigma against the mentally ill, but arguably your post could be interpreted that way. Why would it make a difference if people with Asperger's were psychiatrically ill? Would it be something to be ashamed of?

Anyway, it's clearly possible for autism to be co-morbid with bipolar depression and a number of other conditions. I've never considered myself to have bipolar, because I don't have mania. However, I do have periods of increased agitation and irritability (actually I'm always irritable <_<), which is possibly a subset of bipolar disorder: 'agitated' or 'atypical' depression, it's sometimes known as.


You are right, stigmatising wasn't my intention at all. What underlies my viewpoint is considerable anger about the misdiagnosis of Aspergers (more so in past decades though it is still happening) as schizophrenia, bipolar, which damaged many people needlessly. I think that psychiatric diagnosis is still over-applied to people on the spectrum, and more so than to NTs, though is in some cases accurate, of course. So when I see things that automatically infer of equate ASD with psychiatric illness, my temperature tends to go into uplift...



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05 Dec 2014, 5:16 pm

B19 wrote:
You are right, stigmatising wasn't my intention at all. What underlies my viewpoint is considerable anger about the misdiagnosis of Aspergers (more so in past decades though it is still happening) as schizophrenia, bipolar, which damaged many people needlessly. I think that psychiatric diagnosis is still over-applied to people on the spectrum, and more so than to NTs, though is in some cases accurate, of course. So when I see things that automatically infer of equate ASD with psychiatric illness, my temperature tends to go into uplift...


Okay, I get your point.

I'm not annoyed at my diagnoses of depression and anxiety, but I am a bit annoyed when I think of all the counsellors and psychologists over the years who missed my ASD or, at the least, didn't notice that something more serious was amiss. I owe a huge debt to the guy I had ACT (Acceptance and Commitment Therapy) with last year, because he referred me to a specialist mental health service that I never would have got into otherwise. That led me down the path to an ASD diagnosis.

Only took about 20 years of my adulthood life to get to that point. So yeah, I do take your point.