I don't understand the concept of face blindness

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30 Dec 2014, 8:46 am

My son has it...a few anecdotes to maybe help you understand.

When he was younger, I had three friends who visited on a fairly regular basis. They all had long dark hair. 1 was Dominican, 1 was Ecuadorian, and one was Caucasian. Aside from their long dark hair, they did not look a like. One had a large nose and crooked teeth, one had a classically beautiful face and one was...well...a whole different race. My son could not tell them apart.

When he was in 3rd grade and his sister in kindergarten, I learned that they had a set of brothers in their classes. I asked my son if they looked alike and he said "Yes. They have the same backpack." When I said "No, I meant do their faces look alike?" He said he had no idea.

Once we were at a restaurant and I saw who I thought was one of my son's classmates. I asked him "is that Julia over there?" He paused, looked at her, and said "No. Julia does not wear earrings." They went to Catholic school and she could not wear earrings at school. He took a look at her hair and saw it was the same, but then noted that this person was wearing earrings and concluded it could not be Julia because Julia did not wear earrings.

He has always thought that "strangers" know his name in public places. They are not strangers. They are people he knows from school. He only knows the names of his very closest friends in school. Otherwise, it seems like he does not know anyone and does not care about other people. I think the truth is, he cannot tell one person from another. He notices people by odd things...hair, their backpack, etc, so if those things change, or when the context changes--out in the community vs school--he has a hard time knowing who they are. Since he was little, he also has been faulted for not greeting people he knows. Ummm...I think he would greet them just fine if he knew he knew them. Poor kid!

I think I have a mild version of this. Funny story...once I was at a fund raiser for my kids' school. This man came up to me and started talking to me...a lot. I actually thought he was hitting on me at one point. Eventually, he must have realized I had no idea who he was and so he purposefully mentioned his daughter's names and the bus stop. It was my neighbor...I saw him all the time--and talked to him regularly--as we waited for the bus to come! How embarrassing. It really helped me understand why my son gets some degree of social anxiety. It's embarrassing when you do not know who someone is, when you really know who they are.


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30 Dec 2014, 8:58 am

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What is "face blindness"?


Hey Mr Bigmouth,

Face blindness - I simply don't see it :lol:

It's the inability to discern another persons emotional state from their facial expression. In other words, you can't see that the other person is happy / sad / mad / calm from just looking at their face.

So, you see - we simply don't see it. :D



Sorry I have to disagree here, not being able to read facial expressions is a part of autism and may also be experienced by some with faceblindness, but faceblindness itself is the in ability to recognize faces, like autism it can range in severity some people have a very kils case where they can't recognize faces they haven't seen in a while but others will have more severe cases where they don't recognize family, friends, people in thier class, thier significant other.

This can bea very hard disability to live with, as someone with face blindness I can tell you first hand how award it is to get split up in a crowd and not know how you will tell someone apart itpn a crowd. Or when you can't recognize you mom in public,

I have had people who I have no idea who they were come up and talk to me about my life and about my mom sisters and dogs. When you can't recognize the person and they clearly know you it is at best confusing. At worst it's really scary!

I also have issues with haircuts, my haircuts and when people I know cut their hair. As both times I have trouble recognizing the person

It takes me 2-3 days to adjust to the image in the mirror when I have my hair done.


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30 Dec 2014, 9:27 am

Facial blindness? Wikipedia is yor friend:

Prosopagnosia /ˌprɒsəpæɡˈnoʊʒə/ (Greek: "prosopon" = "face", "agnosia" = "not knowing"), also called face blindness, is a cognitive disorder of face perception where the ability to recognize faces is impaired

As I said, "where the ability to recognize faces is impaired". That's what I've got!

It's not the inability to read facial expressions. Look up Prosopagnosia. and do a search of expression. There's no mention of "expression". It mentions nothing about reading expressions. That's more Social-Emotional Agnosia!

It's purely the inability to recognize faces when you see them in places you don't expect to see them in (as far as I know).

For example, if I know my mechanic and I see him all the time in the garage, I recognize him but if I bumped into him in a shopping centre, I won't recognize him (out of context)! You can't tell the difference between a familiar face and that of a stranger's.

Personally, I also have trouble telling if people are male or female in situations where it's obvious to everyone else what they are. It's screwed up! I don't know?


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30 Dec 2014, 9:41 am

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My son has it...a few anecdotes to maybe help you understand.

When he was younger, I had three friends who visited on a fairly regular basis. They all had long dark hair. 1 was Dominican, 1 was Ecuadorian, and one was Caucasian. Aside from their long dark hair, they did not look a like. One had a large nose and crooked teeth, one had a classically beautiful face and one was...well...a whole different race. My son could not tell them apart.

When he was in 3rd grade and his sister in kindergarten, I learned that they had a set of brothers in their classes. I asked my son if they looked alike and he said "Yes. They have the same backpack." When I said "No, I meant do their faces look alike?" He said he had no idea.

Once we were at a restaurant and I saw who I thought was one of my son's classmates. I asked him "is that Julia over there?" He paused, looked at her, and said "No. Julia does not wear earrings." They went to Catholic school and she could not wear earrings at school. He took a look at her hair and saw it was the same, but then noted that this person was wearing earrings and concluded it could not be Julia because Julia did not wear earrings.

He has always thought that "strangers" know his name in public places. They are not strangers. They are people he knows from school. He only knows the names of his very closest friends in school. Otherwise, it seems like he does not know anyone and does not care about other people. I think the truth is, he cannot tell one person from another. He notices people by odd things...hair, their backpack, etc, so if those things change, or when the context changes--out in the community vs school--he has a hard time knowing who they are. Since he was little, he also has been faulted for not greeting people he knows. Ummm...I think he would greet them just fine if he knew he knew them. Poor kid!

I think I have a mild version of this. Funny story...once I was at a fund raiser for my kids' school. This man came up to me and started talking to me...a lot. I actually thought he was hitting on me at one point. Eventually, he must have realized I had no idea who he was and so he purposefully mentioned his daughter's names and the bus stop. It was my neighbor...I saw him all the time--and talked to him regularly--as we waited for the bus to come! How embarrassing. It really helped me understand why my son gets some degree of social anxiety. It's embarrassing when you do not know who someone is, when you really know who they are.


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30 Dec 2014, 9:45 am

As I said before, if I see people I know well (like family) out of where I'm not used to seeing them, I won't see them. I had my ex-partner for many, many years (22 years) and I don't know how many times she used to complain about the fact that she could be right in front of me and I wouldn't recognize her. I just never saw her.


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30 Dec 2014, 11:02 am

I have trouble picturing people's faces in my mind, but I usually can identify them when I see them. Once I recognized someone I hadn't seen in years, and it was weird, because if you asked me to picture what she looked like I wouldn't have had a clue.
A couple times, though, I've mistaken one person I know for another person I know. Thankfully, I didn't call them by the wrong name before I found out who they were.



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30 Dec 2014, 11:22 am

ImAnAspie wrote:
As I said before, if I see people I know well (like family) out of where I'm not used to seeing them, I won't see them. I had my ex-partner for many, many years (22 years) and I don't know how many times she used to complain about the fact that she could be right in front of me and I wouldn't recognize her. I just never saw her.




This sounds like faceblindness to me


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As I said before, if I see people I know well (like family) out of where I'm not used to seeing them, I won't see them. I had my ex-partner for many, many years (22 years) and I don't know how many times she used to complain about the fact that she could be right in front of me and I wouldn't recognize her. I just never saw her.




This sounds like faceblindness to me


That sounds right. If you do a Google search on "faceblindness", it'll come up with "Prosopagnosia" which is what I originally said.


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30 Dec 2014, 7:20 pm

ASdogGeek wrote:
eggheadjr wrote:
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What is "face blindness"?


Hey Mr Bigmouth,

Face blindness - I simply don't see it :lol:

It's the inability to discern another persons emotional state from their facial expression. In other words, you can't see that the other person is happy / sad / mad / calm from just looking at their face.

So, you see - we simply don't see it. :D



Sorry I have to disagree here, not being able to read facial expressions is a part of autism and may also be experienced by some with faceblindness, but faceblindness itself is the in ability to recognize faces, like autism it can range in severity some people have a very kils case where they can't recognize faces they haven't seen in a while but others will have more severe cases where they don't recognize family, friends, people in thier class, thier significant other.

This can bea very hard disability to live with, as someone with face blindness I can tell you first hand how award it is to get split up in a crowd and not know how you will tell someone apart itpn a crowd. Or when you can't recognize you mom in public,

I have had people who I have no idea who they were come up and talk to me about my life and about my mom sisters and dogs. When you can't recognize the person and they clearly know you it is at best confusing. At worst it's really scary!

I also have issues with haircuts, my haircuts and when people I know cut their hair. As both times I have trouble recognizing the person

It takes me 2-3 days to adjust to the image in the mirror when I have my hair done.


You are correct - I'm getting my definitions mixed up. I was thinking more of Theory of Mind which is the NT ability to inherently understand the internal emotional and mental state of another person based on visual and body language clues received via facial expression and posture. Which, of course, has nothing to do with face blindness.


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30 Dec 2014, 7:57 pm

eggheadjr wrote:
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What is "face blindness"?


Hey Mr Bigmouth,

Face blindness - I simply don't see it :lol:

It's the inability to discern another persons emotional state from their facial expression. In other words, you can't see that the other person is happy / sad / mad / calm from just looking at their face.

So, you see - we simply don't see it. :D



Sorry I have to disagree here, not being able to read facial expressions is a part of autism and may also be experienced by some with faceblindness, but faceblindness itself is the in ability to recognize faces, like autism it can range in severity some people have a very kils case where they can't recognize faces they haven't seen in a while but others will have more severe cases where they don't recognize family, friends, people in thier class, thier significant other.

This can bea very hard disability to live with, as someone with face blindness I can tell you first hand how award it is to get split up in a crowd and not know how you will tell someone apart itpn a crowd. Or when you can't recognize you mom in public,

I have had people who I have no idea who they were come up and talk to me about my life and about my mom sisters and dogs. When you can't recognize the person and they clearly know you it is at best confusing. At worst it's really scary!

I also have issues with haircuts, my haircuts and when people I know cut their hair. As both times I have trouble recognizing the person

It takes me 2-3 days to adjust to the image in the mirror when I have my hair done.


You are correct - I'm getting my definitions mixed up. I was thinking more of Theory of Mind which is the NT ability to inherently understand the internal emotional and mental state of another person based on visual and body language clues received via facial expression and posture. Which, of course, has nothing to do with face blindness.



No worries :) though I think it may be because people on the autism spectrum have a much higher levels of this that there are people with it who also have issues reading facial expressions


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30 Dec 2014, 8:31 pm

To the OP:
Well, that's autism. For some, it's really bad. But for others it can be severe in one area yet completely unaffected in another. For the record I'm not face-blind, I've never struggled hugely with coordination, and for years now I've been fine with eye contact.



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30 Dec 2014, 9:17 pm

eggheadjr wrote:
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eggheadjr wrote:
mr_bigmouth_502 wrote:

What is "face blindness"?


Hey Mr Bigmouth,

Face blindness - I simply don't see it :lol:

It's the inability to discern another persons emotional state from their facial expression. In other words, you can't see that the other person is happy / sad / mad / calm from just looking at their face.

So, you see - we simply don't see it. :D



Sorry I have to disagree here, not being able to read facial expressions is a part of autism and may also be experienced by some with faceblindness, but faceblindness itself is the in ability to recognize faces, like autism it can range in severity some people have a very kils case where they can't recognize faces they haven't seen in a while but others will have more severe cases where they don't recognize family, friends, people in thier class, thier significant other.

This can bea very hard disability to live with, as someone with face blindness I can tell you first hand how award it is to get split up in a crowd and not know how you will tell someone apart itpn a crowd. Or when you can't recognize you mom in public,

I have had people who I have no idea who they were come up and talk to me about my life and about my mom sisters and dogs. When you can't recognize the person and they clearly know you it is at best confusing. At worst it's really scary!

I also have issues with haircuts, my haircuts and when people I know cut their hair. As both times I have trouble recognizing the person

It takes me 2-3 days to adjust to the image in the mirror when I have my hair done.


You are correct - I'm getting my definitions mixed up. I was thinking more of Theory of Mind which is the NT ability to inherently understand the internal emotional and mental state of another person based on visual and body language clues received via facial expression and posture. Which, of course, has nothing to do with face blindness.


Yep, I was correct. Thank you :)


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I have it to at least some degree, but it affects me mostly either when 1) I am surrounded by many people and sensory overload is a factor (this happens often at the end of the day at work, when everyone is in the same area getting ready to go home - the person I'm looking for could be right in front in of me, and I might think I don't see the person because the faces blur) or 2) when it is out of context, like some others have said - if I see a person I know from one aspect of my life pop up in another, I can't place them. Work people who aren't at work, school people who aren't at school, people I know from performance events outside of them - it scrambles my circuits somehow.



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31 Dec 2014, 12:44 am

eggheadjr wrote:
ASdogGeek wrote:
eggheadjr wrote:
mr_bigmouth_502 wrote:

What is "face blindness"?


Hey Mr Bigmouth,

Face blindness - I simply don't see it :lol:

It's the inability to discern another persons emotional state from their facial expression. In other words, you can't see that the other person is happy / sad / mad / calm from just looking at their face.

So, you see - we simply don't see it. :D



Sorry I have to disagree here, not being able to read facial expressions is a part of autism and may also be experienced by some with faceblindness, but faceblindness itself is the in ability to recognize faces, like autism it can range in severity some people have a very kils case where they can't recognize faces they haven't seen in a while but others will have more severe cases where they don't recognize family, friends, people in thier class, thier significant other.

This can bea very hard disability to live with, as someone with face blindness I can tell you first hand how award it is to get split up in a crowd and not know how you will tell someone apart itpn a crowd. Or when you can't recognize you mom in public,

I have had people who I have no idea who they were come up and talk to me about my life and about my mom sisters and dogs. When you can't recognize the person and they clearly know you it is at best confusing. At worst it's really scary!

I also have issues with haircuts, my haircuts and when people I know cut their hair. As both times I have trouble recognizing the person

It takes me 2-3 days to adjust to the image in the mirror when I have my hair done.


You are correct - I'm getting my definitions mixed up. I was thinking more of Theory of Mind which is the NT ability to inherently understand the internal emotional and mental state of another person based on visual and body language clues received via facial expression and posture. Which, of course, has nothing to do with face blindness.


So in other words, the problems I have with deciphering emotions from facial gestures have to do with ToM and not faceblindness.



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31 Dec 2014, 7:52 am

mr_bigmouth_502 wrote:
eggheadjr wrote:
ASdogGeek wrote:
eggheadjr wrote:
mr_bigmouth_502 wrote:

What is "face blindness"?


Hey Mr Bigmouth,

Face blindness - I simply don't see it :lol:

It's the inability to discern another persons emotional state from their facial expression. In other words, you can't see that the other person is happy / sad / mad / calm from just looking at their face.

So, you see - we simply don't see it. :D



Sorry I have to disagree here, not being able to read facial expressions is a part of autism and may also be experienced by some with faceblindness, but faceblindness itself is the in ability to recognize faces, like autism it can range in severity some people have a very kils case where they can't recognize faces they haven't seen in a while but others will have more severe cases where they don't recognize family, friends, people in thier class, thier significant other.

This can bea very hard disability to live with, as someone with face blindness I can tell you first hand how award it is to get split up in a crowd and not know how you will tell someone apart itpn a crowd. Or when you can't recognize you mom in public,

I have had people who I have no idea who they were come up and talk to me about my life and about my mom sisters and dogs. When you can't recognize the person and they clearly know you it is at best confusing. At worst it's really scary!

I also have issues with haircuts, my haircuts and when people I know cut their hair. As both times I have trouble recognizing the person

It takes me 2-3 days to adjust to the image in the mirror when I have my hair done.


You are correct - I'm getting my definitions mixed up. I was thinking more of Theory of Mind which is the NT ability to inherently understand the internal emotional and mental state of another person based on visual and body language clues received via facial expression and posture. Which, of course, has nothing to do with face blindness.


So in other words, the problems I have with deciphering emotions from facial gestures have to do with ToM and not faceblindness.



Please don't ignore me mr_bigmouth. I like you.


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31 Dec 2014, 9:24 am

mr_bigmouth_502 wrote:
eggheadjr wrote:
ASdogGeek wrote:
eggheadjr wrote:
mr_bigmouth_502 wrote:

What is "face blindness"?


Hey Mr Bigmouth,

Face blindness - I simply don't see it :lol:

It's the inability to discern another persons emotional state from their facial expression. In other words, you can't see that the other person is happy / sad / mad / calm from just looking at their face.

So, you see - we simply don't see it. :D



Sorry I have to disagree here, not being able to read facial expressions is a part of autism and may also be experienced by some with faceblindness, but faceblindness itself is the in ability to recognize faces, like autism it can range in severity some people have a very kils case where they can't recognize faces they haven't seen in a while but others will have more severe cases where they don't recognize family, friends, people in thier class, thier significant other.

This can bea very hard disability to live with, as someone with face blindness I can tell you first hand how award it is to get split up in a crowd and not know how you will tell someone apart itpn a crowd. Or when you can't recognize you mom in public,

I have had people who I have no idea who they were come up and talk to me about my life and about my mom sisters and dogs. When you can't recognize the person and they clearly know you it is at best confusing. At worst it's really scary!

I also have issues with haircuts, my haircuts and when people I know cut their hair. As both times I have trouble recognizing the person

It takes me 2-3 days to adjust to the image in the mirror when I have my hair done.


You are correct - I'm getting my definitions mixed up. I was thinking more of Theory of Mind which is the NT ability to inherently understand the internal emotional and mental state of another person based on visual and body language clues received via facial expression and posture. Which, of course, has nothing to do with face blindness.


So in other words, the problems I have with deciphering emotions from facial gestures have to do with ToM and not faceblindness.


Yes - that is correct.


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