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25 Dec 2007, 3:49 pm

I'm glad there are multiple threads about the outrageous goings on in behind the gates at the Rotenberg *School*. Children are being shocked like cattle with electric prods, hand and feet bound and deprived of normal human love, care, compassion and nuturing - all the ingredients for turning whatever is ailing them around. Tortore will not CURE those children. Love, boundaries and guidance WILL.

Put an end to the torture and abuse. Get involved. Sign petitions, rally. make noise and don;t let this cause be forgotten - till the last child is freed.


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25 Dec 2007, 4:31 pm

jjstar wrote:
I'm glad there are multiple threads about the outrageous goings on in behind the gates at the Rotenberg *School*. Children are being shocked like cattle with electric prods, hand and feet bound and deprived of normal human love, care, compassion and nuturing - all the ingredients for turning whatever is ailing them around. Tortore will not CURE those children. Love, boundaries and guidance WILL.

Put an end to the torture and abuse. Get involved. Sign petitions, rally. make noise and don;t let this cause be forgotten - till the last child is freed.


Do you have any links to petitions, rallies, and groups organized against Rotenberg Center. I Live in mid-east coast, and would like involved in any group organized against Rotenberg Center.


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25 Dec 2007, 4:46 pm

cdarwin wrote:
jjstar wrote:
I'm glad there are multiple threads about the outrageous goings on in behind the gates at the Rotenberg *School*. Children are being shocked like cattle with electric prods, hand and feet bound and deprived of normal human love, care, compassion and nuturing - all the ingredients for turning whatever is ailing them around. Tortore will not CURE those children. Love, boundaries and guidance WILL.

Put an end to the torture and abuse. Get involved. Sign petitions, rally. make noise and don;t let this cause be forgotten - till the last child is freed.


Do you have any links to petitions, rallies, and groups organized against Rotenberg Center. I Live in mid-east coast, and would like involved in any group organized against Rotenberg Center.



Some links that will help:

There is a petition here - scroll down where to email your name to be placed on the letter
http://disabledsoapbox.blogspot.com/200 ... diced.html
Aspies for Freedom - forum - with links
http://aspiesforfreedom.com/showthread.php?tid=4033
Close down Rotenberg!
http://mikestanton.wordpress.com/2007/1 ... e-it-down/
A video on the *school*
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uqWxGvGf4WQ
Research on electro shock effects -
http://disabledsoapbox.blogspot.com/200 ... diced.html


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25 Dec 2007, 7:21 pm

jjstar wrote:
I'm glad there are multiple threads about the outrageous goings on in behind the gates at the Rotenberg *School*. Children are being shocked like cattle with electric prods, hand and feet bound and deprived of normal human love, care, compassion and nuturing - all the ingredients for turning whatever is ailing them around. Tortore will not CURE those children. Love, boundaries and guidance WILL.

Put an end to the torture and abuse. Get involved. Sign petitions, rally. make noise and don;t let this cause be forgotten - till the last child is freed.


as heinous as the 'treatment' at the Rotenberg School might or might not be, it is not a cure, surely. However, love, boundaries and guidance will not 'cure' either. Neither will 'cure' but one is preferable above the other.


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25 Dec 2007, 7:31 pm

jjstar wrote:
I'm glad there are multiple threads about the outrageous goings on in behind the gates at the Rotenberg *School*.

That's due in part to you creating multiple similar topics.
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25 Dec 2007, 8:01 pm

MrMark wrote:
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I'm glad there are multiple threads about the outrageous goings on in behind the gates at the Rotenberg *School*.

That's due in part to you creating multiple similar topics.
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By the same token - every single thread here is a repeat of another - it's interesting that you single out this one in particular, especially in light of the lives of children involved. Shame on you.


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25 Dec 2007, 8:30 pm

jjstar wrote:
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jjstar wrote:
I'm glad there are multiple threads about the outrageous goings on in behind the gates at the Rotenberg *School*.

That's due in part to you creating multiple similar topics.
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By the same token - every single thread here is a repeat of another - it's interesting that you single out this one in particular, especially in light of the lives of children involved. Shame on you.

This thread was started within a few hours of another like it. It's not interesting that I single out this one, it's just SOP. Don't shame on me just because if "the poor little children involved," when you're deliberately trying to circumvent the rules.


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25 Dec 2007, 8:38 pm

jjstar wrote:
I'm glad there are multiple threads about the outrageous goings on in behind the gates at the Rotenberg *School*. Children are being shocked like cattle with electric prods, hand and feet bound and deprived of normal human love, care, compassion and nuturing - all the ingredients for turning whatever is ailing them around. Tortore will not CURE those children. Love, boundaries and guidance WILL.

Put an end to the torture and abuse. Get involved. Sign petitions, rally. make noise and don;t let this cause be forgotten - till the last child is freed.


i personally think this so called "school" is going to create kind of like the "super virus" MRSA "super autism" MRASD's (Multiply Resistant Autistic Spectrum Disorders) that will be much more severe than classic full blown autism and also much less respondant to therapies...

THIS "SCHOOL" NEEDS TO BE SHUT DOWN IMMEDIATELY...


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25 Dec 2007, 11:44 pm

jjstar wrote:
MrMark wrote:
jjstar wrote:
I'm glad there are multiple threads about the outrageous goings on in behind the gates at the Rotenberg *School*.

That's due in part to you creating multiple similar topics.
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By the same token - every single thread here is a repeat of another - it's interesting that you single out this one in particular, especially in light of the lives of children involved. Shame on you.


I am certain Mr. Mark can take care of himself and deal with you as he sees fit, but I have to say this is blatant manipulation of emotional response. Where do you get the idea you can shame anyone for not rallying to your cause?

Do you think your cause has so little merit by its self you have to shame people into it?

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26 Dec 2007, 4:27 am

NYT 12 25 (yesterday): the thread has been closed.
"Just how painful those shocks are has been an area of particular debate. Technically, the lowest shock given by Rotenberg is roughly twice what pain researchers have said is tolerable for most humans, said James Eason, a professor of biomedical engineering at Washington and Lee University. The highest shock given by Rotenberg is three times the lowest amount.

The lawyer for Rotenberg, Mr. Flammia, said the current has to hurt to work."

The NYT expounds both sides of the problem, as usual.
Families may really be desperate for tantrums and violence of their children severely autistic. But the "tecniques" used in the "school" are not acceptable. Moreover a good percentage of the children there are Asperger, as they explain in the official site. The language of the official site is rather sinister.

State Senator Brian A. Joyce, whose district includes the Rotenberg Center, has introduced two new bills that—while not proposing an outright ban on aversives (aversive is the pseudo-scientific jargon word to indicate punishing action including shocks and withdrawal of food) —would regulate their use much more strictly. "The harsh reality is we're doing this to innocent children in Canton, Massachusetts," he says. "If this treatments were used on terrorist prisoners in Guantanamo Bay, there would be worldwide outrage." The founder and director of the Rotenberg Center is some Dr. Israel, a disciple of the late Skinner’s strict behaviorist school of psychology. According to Skinner’s doctrine, now totally discredited there no way to read somebody’s mind, but you can change behavior through rewards and punishment (conditioning).



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26 Dec 2007, 9:28 am

this school could possibly be causing widespread neurological system damage with what voltages they are using...

i say all the kids must go to a neurologist, if the family does not have the money one will be provided at the schools expense during the investigation..

if any child is found to have evidently become psychotic or in any way changed for the negative by this school, it will be shut down immediately.

if any child is found to have widespread neurological system damage the school will be shut down immediately.

that simple...

i say we all start a class action lawsuit


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26 Dec 2007, 10:00 am

You do NOT know this for fact. Have you conducted studies? Do you know how the mind reacts to trauma and how it is healed? I do. I've been doing research and self-healing for over 30 years. And together with spiritual aid, a wholistic and dietary approach in conjunction with a safe connection to another and nature - this is EXACTLY what an emotionally ill child needs in order to heal. No, not *TREAT* - but HEAL.


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jjstar wrote:
I'm glad there are multiple threads about the outrageous goings on in behind the gates at the Rotenberg *School*. Children are being shocked like cattle with electric prods, hand and feet bound and deprived of normal human love, care, compassion and nuturing - all the ingredients for turning whatever is ailing them around. Tortore will not CURE those children. Love, boundaries and guidance WILL.

Put an end to the torture and abuse. Get involved. Sign petitions, rally. make noise and don;t let this cause be forgotten - till the last child is freed.


as heinous as the 'treatment' at the Rotenberg School might or might not be, it is not a cure, surely. However, love, boundaries and guidance will not 'cure' either. Neither will 'cure' but one is preferable above the other.


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26 Dec 2007, 10:15 am

Some of the information made available to parents of autistic and emotionally disturbed children on the Rotenberg site.

http://www.effectivetreatment.org


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26 Dec 2007, 10:15 am

i have signed onto the petition


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26 Dec 2007, 10:16 am

jjstar wrote:
Some of the information made available to parents of autistic and emotionally disturbed children on the Rotenberg site.

http://www.effectivetreatment.org


the website seems barely legitimate... what a piece of crap school... if they make 227,000 per year on each student they could afford a professionally designed error free website... this thing is triggering javascript errors all over the place!


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26 Dec 2007, 10:20 am

Crimes against Autistics

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s9-xXfgQiTU[/youtube]


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