Feel like your "soul" doesn't have a "voice"?
Many of my problems at this stage of life boil down to feeling like I don't have a true "voice" (the rest can be traced to chronic health issues). What I mean is, while I can use language just fine, I don't feel like I can express the deeper "me", the part that makes me unique and that makes life worth living for me. Therefore, social issues seem in some way moot, like even if I was able to read social cues and fit in, I still couldn't share anything really personal.
I'm a very visual person, and I started a thread here about that. Many of the images in this thread come the closes of nearly anything I have seen to giving me that elusive "voice". In other words, I see that other people have a similar way of seeing the world, and attach emotions to the same sorts of things. Other times I have that sense when viewing photography online.
I think part of the issue is that this inner world is a combination of a lot of things--it connects stuff like the mathematical images in that thread, complex scientific ideas, the beauty of natural scenery, and moods, like the comfort of childhood and the intensity of romance. These things are connected in my mind in a way that doesn't really match anything in the external culture.
Also, I am not satisfied just expressing that "soul" to others who have the same focus I do. I feel the need to reach out to people who can show me other kinds of beauty and truth that I can't see with my own inner eyes. This doesn't seem to happen though. The only people who are that into visual complexity, and have a strong emotional reaction to it, are other math types with Aspergers.
I feel that having someone, a guide of sorts, to help me find that "voice", whether it's a form of drawing or painting, a kind of computer graphics, etc.--something that is accessible to people of other types--would be very helpful. Unfortunately, all the groups/venues I have seen that try and help people express themselves are full of "new-agey" sort of stuff--which quickly gets old.
Is anyone else in this "boat"?
I think I know what you mean.
I describe it as having a very strong self, but a very weak identity. I know that's a completely different angle to look at this from. The explanation can get complicated.
If you haven't seen the documentary on youtube about Daniel Tammet, then I think you would find it interesting.
I'm a very visual person, and I started a thread here about that. Many of the images in this thread come the closes of nearly anything I have seen to giving me that elusive "voice". In other words, I see that other people have a similar way of seeing the world, and attach emotions to the same sorts of things. Other times I have that sense when viewing photography online.
I think part of the issue is that this inner world is a combination of a lot of things--it connects stuff like the mathematical images in that thread, complex scientific ideas, the beauty of natural scenery, and moods, like the comfort of childhood and the intensity of romance. These things are connected in my mind in a way that doesn't really match anything in the external culture.
Also, I am not satisfied just expressing that "soul" to others who have the same focus I do. I feel the need to reach out to people who can show me other kinds of beauty and truth that I can't see with my own inner eyes. This doesn't seem to happen though. The only people who are that into visual complexity, and have a strong emotional reaction to it, are other math types with Aspergers.
I feel that having someone, a guide of sorts, to help me find that "voice", whether it's a form of drawing or painting, a kind of computer graphics, etc.--something that is accessible to people of other types--would be very helpful. Unfortunately, all the groups/venues I have seen that try and help people express themselves are full of "new-agey" sort of stuff--which quickly gets old.
Is anyone else in this "boat"?
Sometimes when I can't find what I want, I will create what I need. Sounds like you've got an idea what you need, bring it to life for you. Whether that is a website or local group or something totally different and unique all together.
I describe it as having a very strong self, but a very weak identity. I know that's a completely different angle to look at this from. The explanation can get complicated.
I totally get what you mean about "very strong self but very weak identity", assuming what you mean by "identity" is social niche. This was a major cause of my previous failed attempts at graduate school: while a scientific mind and interest in complex systems is part of the "self", being a scientist is an identity. This means that there are parts to being a scientist (teamwork, getting funding, pursuing questions that others want you to) that may at times not be strengths of the self, but this means neither that the self is not suited to science, nor that the parts of the self that don't go along with the identity of scientist are "wrong". Once I realized that, I began to interact with other scientists in a more collegial manner.
This is also, I think, why I feel like an adolescent or child so much of the time. Adolescents are figuring out their identities, so their identities are weaker than adults'. Many are also figuring out their selves, and this is a way in which I feel possibly even older than I really am, though.
Tammet is very interesting.
I agree, it is best to create a niche rather than have to find one. That is easier said than done, especially starting from a point of being discouraged/depressed about social life. If this "soul" is trapped within your head, you need to develop the tools to let it out (if you hear melodies, you need to sing or play an instrument, if you see pictures you need to draw/paint/whatever). This takes practice and can be frustrating at the beginning. Then on top of that you need to convince enough people to pay attention to you and learn who you are. If you have really ideal people, they will be your friend through the process of finding an identity, but I find that those are extremely rare. Most people are attracted to already established identities.
Yeah, I can relate to that a lot. Most of the time I see no purpose in verbal communication because I can't verbalize the truth about who I am and my experiences anyways. I like to communicate with people by sending them music, but not everyone (heck, probably most people) functions that way. Sometimes I would try writing abstract poetry, but just about everyone I show it to would stare at it blankly. "Too abstract" for them.
I don't feel a need to express it to people who don't get it, though. I'm terrified of ostracization, and I feel like there are a lot of things that we as a society are just not ready for yet. Sometimes I come across someone who attempts to express something that this social consciousness isn't ready for, and the backlash and mockery they get terrifies the hell out of me. People don't want to hear about experiences that screw with their fundamental assumptions of what reality is, what is their place in the world, what infinite range of experiences are possible, stuff like that.
I'm a very visual person, and I started a thread here about that. Many of the images in this thread come the closes of nearly anything I have seen to giving me that elusive "voice". In other words, I see that other people have a similar way of seeing the world, and attach emotions to the same sorts of things. Other times I have that sense when viewing photography online.
I think part of the issue is that this inner world is a combination of a lot of things--it connects stuff like the mathematical images in that thread, complex scientific ideas, the beauty of natural scenery, and moods, like the comfort of childhood and the intensity of romance. These things are connected in my mind in a way that doesn't really match anything in the external culture.
Also, I am not satisfied just expressing that "soul" to others who have the same focus I do. I feel the need to reach out to people who can show me other kinds of beauty and truth that I can't see with my own inner eyes. This doesn't seem to happen though. The only people who are that into visual complexity, and have a strong emotional reaction to it, are other math types with Aspergers.
I feel that having someone, a guide of sorts, to help me find that "voice", whether it's a form of drawing or painting, a kind of computer graphics, etc.--something that is accessible to people of other types--would be very helpful. Unfortunately, all the groups/venues I have seen that try and help people express themselves are full of "new-agey" sort of stuff--which quickly gets old.
Is anyone else in this "boat"?
Well, welcome to the NT world my friend! While I'm on the spectrum myself I have heard the same from a good number of NT people. Many people who don't have atypical brains feel that they don't really have the opportunity to truly "share" with others. It's as if we can express all kinds of ideas, but not the private uniqueness of our own personally given identities, as it relates to these ideas; we can't express our own stamp on the world.
What I think you are looking for is basically a certain type of intimacy, and it is an elusive experience.
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If that is so, then welcome to my mind:
Kyrie eleison, christe eleison. Qui tollis peccata mundi, miserere nobis. Gratias agimus tibi, propter magnam gloriam tuam.
If my soul has that kind of a voice, then it is sheet music and it sounds like, and the text looks like, Bach's Mass in B minor.
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There is no wealth like knowledge, no poverty like ignorance.
Nahj ul-Balāgha by Ali bin Abu-Talib
What I think you are looking for is basically a certain type of intimacy, and it is an elusive experience.
Maybe the real issue is that NTs spend much more of their mental energy on the outer world, and so they can make friends and find romantic partners entirely through that. Whereas, I like to spend so much time in my inner world that I can only really make friends with someone who understands that. It doesn't mean that this person needs to have an identical inner world (that would be boring and, in a way, even more isolating), but needs to be able to understand what I find beautiful, so much of which is internal.
To explain the possible difference a bit from NTs --
I feel that emotions and images express what I think, although I am "gifted" with my use of language (hyperlexic, speak multiple languages, high verbal SATs, etc). For example, when a therapist asked me to rate my closeness to a friend on a scale from 1 to 10, I could only answer truthfully with the image that came to mind: that if I was a pond surrounded by trees, the friend was a leaf on that pond. Saying "4" would have been meaningless to me and a lie. I can provide the "4" answer but I have to translate it from the leaf, and that never really explains it.
The translation process is never-ending. It's like daily communication for me demands I constantly rewrite poetry into prose, render complex images in ASCII. "What did you do last weekend?" for me yields an image, a feeling -- a couch, a wall, people I saw, colors. By the time I can remember "Not much, what about you?" (the "right" social response), I've already become "weird" and half the time get a little anxious realizing this and fumble in my performance.
I think the strong difference between austistic folks and NTs is the level of interconnectedness within the brain. So I may have some connectors that are leaning heavily to some nonverbal areas and which aren't so well connected to the "social language" parts of my brain.
The thing is I can speak in poetry very well...but that leads to basically nonsense in conversation and really turns people off. So I think my language and image sections are connected OK, just not to the social script parts -- and also the parts that require gestalt-type generalizations of what the images mean enough to put comprehensive words to them. That requires a real change in gears and takes a little while longer for me. NTs probably have better connectors there than I do.
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Diagnosed with autism spectrum disorder 19 June 2015.
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