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23 May 2014, 2:39 pm

Where I live there seems to be many people like this. They are like real life versions of Sam from I Am Sam.


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23 May 2014, 2:57 pm

I Am Sam was about a man with moderate mental retardation.


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23 May 2014, 3:07 pm

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I Am Sam was about a man with moderate mental retardation.

Intellectually disabled is the PC term for mental retardation. If you paid attention they said that Sam had autistic tendencies.


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23 May 2014, 3:41 pm

DevilKisses wrote:
Kurgan wrote:
I Am Sam was about a man with moderate mental retardation.

Intellectually disabled is the PC term for mental retardation. If you paid attention they said that Sam had autistic tendencies.


Which to me means he had symptoms but not enough to have the condition.


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23 May 2014, 3:42 pm

I was like this until about age thirty-two.

For some developmentally delayed people, the experience is like 'Flowers for Algernon'
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flowers_for_Algernon

I thought about it today when I was outside in the sun. I am in my early 40s now, and thought how wonderful it would of been to have a 'normal functioning brain' going through elementary to high school. All those experiences I have lost.


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23 May 2014, 6:31 pm

League_Girl wrote:
DevilKisses wrote:
Kurgan wrote:
I Am Sam was about a man with moderate mental retardation.

Intellectually disabled is the PC term for mental retardation. If you paid attention they said that Sam had autistic tendencies.


Which to me means he had symptoms but not enough to have the condition.

The people I do know don't seem to have that many autistic traits, but they still are diagnosed with autism. They just seem very naive, obviously intellectually disabled and active but odd. Just like the people from I Am Sam. They even enjoy the same type of movies.


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23 May 2014, 6:33 pm

At least one of Sam's friends did not seem intellectually disabled; he seemed Aspergian.



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23 May 2014, 7:39 pm

DevilKisses wrote:
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DevilKisses wrote:
Kurgan wrote:
I Am Sam was about a man with moderate mental retardation.

Intellectually disabled is the PC term for mental retardation. If you paid attention they said that Sam had autistic tendencies.


Which to me means he had symptoms but not enough to have the condition.

The people I do know don't seem to have that many autistic traits, but they still are diagnosed with autism. They just seem very naive, obviously intellectually disabled and active but odd. Just like the people from I Am Sam. They even enjoy the same type of movies.


After doing research on the term, I read a blog post and someone's daughter got that label and then eventually the autism label so it's possible someone with "autistic tenancies" could have autism. I guess it could be interpreted as "You shows signs of autism but I am not sure if you are on the spectrum so here is this label for you."

Sam did have MR and I know they can share the same characteristics as autism so his "autistic tenancies" dx could mean "I am not sure if you are really autistic because you are ret*d so here is this label you can have because I am not sure if you are also autistic."


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23 May 2014, 7:53 pm

DevilKisses wrote:
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I Am Sam was about a man with moderate mental retardation.

Intellectually disabled is the PC term for mental retardation. If you paid attention they said that Sam had autistic tendencies.

its not a PC term,its been the official diagnostic term for over a year;and for several years its been the unofficial term for what is a very outdated, incorrect and painfuly dehumanizing diagnosis, being a diagnosed aspie who believes they are described by the wrong label-perhaps shoud share some understanding of what its like when those of us diagnosed under intelectual disability get called mentaly ret*d;we arent mentaly slow we have limited mental capacities in comparison to the norm which has a knock on effect on our functioning level and development and it also affects the presentation of autism.


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24 May 2014, 5:55 am

DevilKisses wrote:
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I Am Sam was about a man with moderate mental retardation.

Intellectually disabled is the PC term for mental retardation. If you paid attention they said that Sam had autistic tendencies.


In a few years, you're not allowed to say "intellectually disabled" either.


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24 May 2014, 6:21 am

Kurgan wrote:
DevilKisses wrote:
Kurgan wrote:
I Am Sam was about a man with moderate mental retardation.

Intellectually disabled is the PC term for mental retardation. If you paid attention they said that Sam had autistic tendencies.


In a few years, you're not allowed to say "intellectually disabled" either.

ok,shall we say HFAs have autistic pyschopathy seeing as that was the original term,after all-that was only a matter of years ago and anytime disability language changes its PC and absolutely nothing to do with those directly affected wanting to be described correctly without incorrect description and stigma right?

shall we remove HFA from the autism spectrum seeing as it didnt used to be considered autism years ago,or shall we learn to accept that language changes along with the understanding of conditions instead of making assumptions about conditions that dont directly affect us?

ADHD used to be called minimal brain damage and autism has been called childhood schizophrenia,thankfuly these have both changed and will probably continue to change as more understanding is developed about how the conditions affect people,labels stigmatise and dehumanise people and result in everything from bullying,to discrimination, to prejudice...for those whose disabilities are in need of support, getting the label right is especialy important.


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25 May 2014, 10:52 am

KingdomOfRats wrote:
Kurgan wrote:
DevilKisses wrote:
Kurgan wrote:
I Am Sam was about a man with moderate mental retardation.

Intellectually disabled is the PC term for mental retardation. If you paid attention they said that Sam had autistic tendencies.


In a few years, you're not allowed to say "intellectually disabled" either.

ok,shall we say HFAs have autistic pyschopathy seeing as that was the original term,after all-that was only a matter of years ago and anytime disability language changes its PC and absolutely nothing to do with those directly affected wanting to be described correctly without incorrect description and stigma right?

shall we remove HFA from the autism spectrum seeing as it didnt used to be considered autism years ago,or shall we learn to accept that language changes along with the understanding of conditions instead of making assumptions about conditions that dont directly affect us?

ADHD used to be called minimal brain damage and autism has been called childhood schizophrenia,thankfuly these have both changed and will probably continue to change as more understanding is developed about how the conditions affect people,labels stigmatise and dehumanise people and result in everything from bullying,to discrimination, to prejudice...for those whose disabilities are in need of support, getting the label right is especialy important.


I'm well aware of that, but because of the euphemism treadmill, "intellectual disability" will be a politically incorrect term in a few years as well. People with intellectual disability are worth as much as everyone else, but MR started out as a politically correct term for oligophrenia.


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25 Jun 2015, 10:32 am

LoveNotHate wrote:
I was like this until about age thirty-two.

For some developmentally delayed people, the experience is like 'Flowers for Algernon'
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flowers_for_Algernon

I thought about it today when I was outside in the sun. I am in my early 40s now, and thought how wonderful it would of been to have a 'normal functioning brain' going through elementary to high school. All those experiences I have lost.



I can relate so much, it's horrible and I wish I never realized I was ret*d. People say I should be so thankful I'm as high functioning as I am and that I've come a long way.

But honestly I'd rather have down syndrome then be mildly ret*d, ignorance is truly bliss.



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25 Jun 2015, 10:43 am

I happen to believe that you are not "ret*d" at all, sAMY.

The character in "I am Sam" had an obvious intellectual disability--but it didn't prevent him from taking care of his daughter properly.



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25 Jun 2015, 11:46 am

It is possible to be intellectually disabled and have mild autistic traits as a result of intellectual disabled.
Intellectual disability affects general cognitive development, including social, so many intellectually disabled people have social deficits.
The active but odd type of deficits would probably be more common than the aloof type in this ID + mildly autistic population.


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25 Jun 2015, 5:48 pm

sAMY wrote:
LoveNotHate wrote:
I was like this until about age thirty-two.

For some developmentally delayed people, the experience is like 'Flowers for Algernon'
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flowers_for_Algernon

I thought about it today when I was outside in the sun. I am in my early 40s now, and thought how wonderful it would of been to have a 'normal functioning brain' going through elementary to high school. All those experiences I have lost.



I can relate so much, it's horrible and I wish I never realized I was ret*d. People say I should be so thankful I'm as high functioning as I am and that I've come a long way.

But honestly I'd rather have down syndrome then be mildly ret*d, ignorance is truly bliss.

People with Downs syndrome aren't necessarily intellectually disabled, and nor are they necessarily happy.