Page 1 of 1 [ 12 posts ] 

Jamesy
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 24 Oct 2008
Age: 36
Gender: Male
Posts: 8,589
Location: Near London United Kingdom

08 Sep 2015, 3:12 pm

Why are sophisticated adults less tolerant of Aspergers behaviour/socialising?



Sweetleaf
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 6 Jan 2011
Age: 36
Gender: Female
Posts: 35,278
Location: Somewhere in Colorado

08 Sep 2015, 3:19 pm

What is a sophisticated adult?....You'd have to give an example of what kind of sophisticated adult and what autistic behaviors they are less tolerant of otherwise its simply too vague for me to formulate a response.


_________________
Tis the time to melt the Ice.


pete1061
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 12 Nov 2011
Age: 56
Gender: Male
Posts: 1,766
Location: Portland, OR

08 Sep 2015, 3:30 pm

These days a lot more people mistrust medicine and see this as just another "excuse" to sell pills to people.
Especially those "sophisticated adults".

Also many to not think there is such thing as ANY mental condition, and everyones mind is alike, and autism is just the result of "bad parenting".

A lot of "sophisticated adults" already have their minds made up on a wide array of subjects and are not very open to changing their attitudes and outlook.
People get set in their ways and close their minds. Think that they already "know everything".

Many people base their attitude on some quick, out of context example and say that represents all of autism.

My favorite one is "awwww.... I do that too, you're just over reacting".
DUH!! !! that what autism is. Our neurology has more difficulty regulating neural activity, we "over react" to everything, that everyone also does.

People just can't comprehend how we are taking in 10 times or more the real time sensory data, our filters are broken, literally. Some of us can keep up with that data flow more easily than others, that's where the "spectrum" lies. Intelligence and autism are not related.
People are taught how to be intelligent, it doesn't come automatically.
Most families are deeply convinced they are all "stupid" when they really are not.
Our schools do a lot to discourage intelligence. Their job is to train obedient workers.

IGNORANCE.

That's the answer to your question Jamesy.

Sadly, many people are just plain ignorant.


_________________
Your Aspie score: 172 of 200
Your neurotypical (non-autistic) score: 35 of 200
You are very likely an Aspie
Diagnosed in 2005


pete1061
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 12 Nov 2011
Age: 56
Gender: Male
Posts: 1,766
Location: Portland, OR

08 Sep 2015, 3:32 pm

Sweetleaf wrote:
What is a sophisticated adult?....You'd have to give an example of what kind of sophisticated adult and what autistic behaviors they are less tolerant of otherwise its simply too vague for me to formulate a response.


Definition: "Sophisticated Adult" (n)

An ignorant person who believes that they are the "expert" on everything.
The "sophisticated" is a self assigned title by a person who isn't very "adult".


_________________
Your Aspie score: 172 of 200
Your neurotypical (non-autistic) score: 35 of 200
You are very likely an Aspie
Diagnosed in 2005


Last edited by pete1061 on 08 Sep 2015, 3:34 pm, edited 2 times in total.

Ben_Is_My_Only_God
Deinonychus
Deinonychus

User avatar

Joined: 2 Sep 2015
Posts: 345

08 Sep 2015, 3:32 pm

Jamesy wrote:
Why are sophisticated adults less tolerant of Aspergers behaviour/socialising?


Are they?


_________________
Whatever it is that you think that I'm thinking... you're wrong!

345 is a nice number on which to end.

Bimog And The Search For Pangea


Sweetleaf
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 6 Jan 2011
Age: 36
Gender: Female
Posts: 35,278
Location: Somewhere in Colorado

08 Sep 2015, 3:38 pm

pete1061 wrote:
Definition: "Sophisticated Adult" (n)

An ignorant person who believes that they are the "expert" on everything.
The "sophisticated" is a self assigned title by a person who isn't very "adult".


Hmm, well I imagine that sort of person is just generally intolerant of anything that does not fit with their expert opinion or how they think it ought to be. So they'd probably be quite bothered by autistics that don't fit a specific 'autism' stereotype or that we don't behave 'normally'.


_________________
Tis the time to melt the Ice.


starfox
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 15 Mar 2015
Gender: Female
Posts: 1,039
Location: UK

08 Sep 2015, 3:43 pm

I'm less tolerant of people not trying and using their problems as an excuse not to do anything to develop themselves


_________________
We become what we think about; since everything in the beginning is just an idea.

Destruction and creation are 2 sides of the same coin.


pete1061
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 12 Nov 2011
Age: 56
Gender: Male
Posts: 1,766
Location: Portland, OR

08 Sep 2015, 3:44 pm

starfox wrote:
I'm less tolerant of people not trying and using their problems as an excuse not to do anything to develop themselves


ditto!


my differences, not problems are a gift to give me greater insight about the world around me.
As an autistic, I am aware of so much more of the world than NT's.

Just the not fitting can be frustrating.
I just have such a tough time with the NT communication style.
I just avoid most of them.


_________________
Your Aspie score: 172 of 200
Your neurotypical (non-autistic) score: 35 of 200
You are very likely an Aspie
Diagnosed in 2005


Sweetleaf
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 6 Jan 2011
Age: 36
Gender: Female
Posts: 35,278
Location: Somewhere in Colorado

08 Sep 2015, 4:01 pm

starfox wrote:
I'm less tolerant of people not trying and using their problems as an excuse not to do anything to develop themselves


That would be an obnoxious trait....if they do this willfully, that is obnoxious.

Though in cases of 'learned helplessness' I wouldn't judge so harsh since one needs help to get out of that state since it comes from being stuck in a detrimental/negative situation you cannot change long enough it f***s your head up. But to the outside observer it can look like the lazy simply not trying and making excuses when they have every ability to make changes especially over the internet where you cannot really actually see how much someone struggles.

I myself don't like stagnation so don't see any benefit in using my problems as an excuse to not do anything to develop myself or improve in certain areas of life....but not going to beat myself up over not being able to over-come every difficulty or limitations I do have that can really interfere getting the best of me here and there.


_________________
Tis the time to melt the Ice.


kraftiekortie
Veteran
Veteran

Joined: 4 Feb 2014
Gender: Male
Posts: 87,510
Location: Queens, NYC

08 Sep 2015, 6:29 pm

A truly "sophisticated" adult would have advanced knowledge about autism, and what makes autistic people tick.



pete1061
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 12 Nov 2011
Age: 56
Gender: Male
Posts: 1,766
Location: Portland, OR

08 Sep 2015, 6:51 pm

kraftiekortie wrote:
A truly "sophisticated" adult would have advanced knowledge about autism, and what makes autistic people tick.


I think we call them "intelligent".

Personally I define "sophistacated" as a form of arrogance. Fake intelligence.


_________________
Your Aspie score: 172 of 200
Your neurotypical (non-autistic) score: 35 of 200
You are very likely an Aspie
Diagnosed in 2005


beneficii
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 10 May 2005
Age: 42
Gender: Female
Posts: 7,245

08 Sep 2015, 9:34 pm

I do notice that with certain political groups. They tend to look upon people with Asperger's as just being stuck-up jerks using our diagnosis as an excuse for bad behavior, who like to pretend we've got it so bad when really, in their view, we're just a bunch of whining babies. They might put us in opposition to some other group, like the "really autistic people."

Another view looks upon us with suspicion, almost like we're a bunch of boogymen who could be harmful, and that we should be sequestered from society for society's own good. They believe that nothing we say can have value, and should be looked at with suspicion due to our Asperger's. Autistic people as a whole, people with other mental illnesses, or both might get lumped in here.


_________________
"You have a responsibility to consider all sides of a problem and a responsibility to make a judgment and a responsibility to care for all involved." --Ian Danskin