Good emotional reading, bad social understanding
First off, hello everyone, i’m new to the forums.
I have been wondering about something which I have found fairly confusing, it would appear that I am actually hypersensitive to other people’s emotions, being able to understand the way someone is feeling very quickly, and often with very subtle emotions, I am sure this is odd amongst people with Asperger’s Syndrome. However, I do not have a natural understanding of how to behave in certain social situations, and whilst i’ve effectively learned a great deal of, essentially, how to behave, it doesn’t come naturally like the sensitivity to emotion. Luckily for me, it is usually only in new or stressful situations that a lack of social understanding shows, though this was -not- the case in my early childhood.
It may be relevant that the full label for what I have is actually “Asperger’s Syndrome with a complex presentation” and it may not.
I wanted to know if anyone knows anything about this, if it is the main reason for the ‘complex presentation’, or if it is because I may be a fairly borderline case, or if perhaps the ‘complex presentation’ signifies in itself that I am a fairly borderline case, very few people realise there is anything with me now, and I am only fourteen years old. I was -definitely- unusual during primary school years, in which I showed a lot of the general characteristics or AS. Is is possible I may have stopped showing signs of being unusual due to having a better social understanding from experience, thus leading to less stress in social situations? Is anyone else in my situation?
Finally, apologies if this looks like a ‘wall of text’ as it’s early morning and i’m starting to tire.
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I wonder if you're describing the same thing?
I feel like I am tracing paper or a sponge, and other people's emotions "seep through" me. This is one reason it's hard for me to be around people.
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this is interesting!
i have no big problem reading facial expressions (though i'm told i lack them, myself)
but it's like you said, HOW do you act? this implies that context is key... which it truly is for social interactions
english is supposedly one of the hardest languages to learn due to its lack of "tenses" (relatively speaking) and being imfamous for having a single word* have mutliple defifnitions depending on context...
(*** i'm talking both verbally and in written form: verbal:their, there, they're written: stone---could mean a rock or even a verb
i think emotions are a lot like that... languages (i also think that this isn't surprising when emotions are the reasons we probably needed to evolve things like language, back in the day)
and emotions are very flexible in that they apply to all these different situations that are different for some UNKNOWN contextual variant.
so it doesn't even matter if you recognize the visual representation of the emotion...
it's that context that's the clincher
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I can actually function well in relaxed social situations, even chat about things (which apparently is odd amongst people with AS too)
because it’s rare for me to do something in this situation which appears odd. I think I become worse under stress actually, it sort of cuts off any social understanding I really have, leading to something approaching panic. I’ll do odd things, bring up ‘wrong’ subjects, make references to things inappropriate or just say something which seems blatantly rude, the emotional understanding means i’ve realised i’ve done it, just too late. Strangely, i’m most relaxed with 1-3 people of my own age, I don’t like packs at all, and i’m not too good at initiating ‘chat’, though I can keep a conversation going if someone starts one.
Another thing is that I actually play online roleplaying games, by this I don’t mean level-gaining games like runescape or World-Of-Warcraft (though i’m not averse to these kind of games) but ones where the aim is to just create a feeling of a ‘real’ character, which I think has probably helped me to understand social situations, but it’s probably an odd interest for an AS boy to take all the same, at least if you’re sticking to the stereotype or ‘narrow, mechanical-based interests’
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because it’s rare for me to do something in this situation which appears odd. I think I become worse under stress actually, it sort of cuts off any social understanding I really have, leading to something approaching panic. I’ll do odd things, bring up ‘wrong’ subjects, make references to things inappropriate or just say something which seems blatantly rude, the emotional understanding means i’ve realised i’ve done it, just too late. Strangely, i’m most relaxed with 1-3 people of my own age, I don’t like packs at all, and i’m not too good at initiating ‘chat’, though I can keep a conversation going if someone starts one.
Another thing is that I actually play online roleplaying games, by this I don’t mean level-gaining games like runescape or World-Of-Warcraft (though i’m not averse to these kind of games) but ones where the aim is to just create a feeling of a ‘real’ character, which I think has probably helped me to understand social situations, but it’s probably an odd interest for an AS boy to take all the same, at least if you’re sticking to the stereotype or ‘narrow, mechanical-based interests’
that's pretty much me.
i detest chit chat though and don't seek it out... but i work with people SOOOOoooo.....
i'll often say something "Wrong" and realize it seconds after i say it... realizing it's inapropriate or not-funny (i suck at humor most times) there are also many things i don't catch... but i do catch some of em...
i have finally come to recognize confusion* in faces when i speak ... which tells me that one of the above has occurred... (*teaching helps this cause students are more open about understanding and showing me where confusion comes in and their faces are pretty open about their confusion--perk of the job, i guess)
i still sound really weird cause 9 times out of 10 i'm (quietly) verbalizing these thought processes that are going on in my head; out loud in front of the people im currently talking to.
this makes them more confused and generally, they either just overlook it or are appeased with my reassessment, at anyrate
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I don’t -like- or attempt to -seek out- chit-chat, it often isn’t interesting but I -can- do it and I don’t find it particularly irritating, I used to think aloud but it’s something I just stopped doing, not intentionally, it’s just a habit that stopped.
Interestingly also, some of my friends thing i’m quite sharp and quick on humour, although I occasionally come out with something that’s either overly-complex or considered rude or inappropriate.
Interestingly also, some of my friends thing i’m quite sharp and quick on humour, although I occasionally come out with something that’s either overly-complex or considered rude or inappropriate.
In your writing it looks like Aspie traits are mildly present in you, not strongly. There isn't some sharp line between "having it" and "not having it"... There isn't an "it", there's a range of factors. What percentage of all possible greys are "whitish"? Any precise answer to that would be arbitrary.
There are a number of traits associated with Aspieness, and the Asperger's label gradually becomes more meaningful the more strongly these traits are present in you. Ultimately the question is whether your personality traits cause you a serious problem in life, and if so, whether the Aspie label helps you resolve that problem (most importantly by understanding it better).
I have been wondering about something which I have found fairly confusing, it would appear that I am actually hypersensitive to other people’s emotions, being able to understand the way someone is feeling very quickly, and often with very subtle emotions, I am sure this is odd amongst people with Asperger’s Syndrome. However, I do not have a natural understanding of how to behave in certain social situations, and whilst i’ve effectively learned a great deal of, essentially, how to behave, it doesn’t come naturally like the sensitivity to emotion. Luckily for me, it is usually only in new or stressful situations that a lack of social understanding shows, though this was -not- the case in my early childhood.
It may be relevant that the full label for what I have is actually “Asperger’s Syndrome with a complex presentation” and it may not.
I wanted to know if anyone knows anything about this, if it is the main reason for the ‘complex presentation’, or if it is because I may be a fairly borderline case, or if perhaps the ‘complex presentation’ signifies in itself that I am a fairly borderline case, very few people realise there is anything with me now, and I am only fourteen years old. I was -definitely- unusual during primary school years, in which I showed a lot of the general characteristics or AS. Is is possible I may have stopped showing signs of being unusual due to having a better social understanding from experience, thus leading to less stress in social situations? Is anyone else in my situation?
Finally, apologies if this looks like a ‘wall of text’ as it’s early morning and i’m starting to tire.
I'm the same way. I have no trouble reading facial expressions, but I never know what to say to people, and I'm always doing slightly inappropriate things. I was much worse as a child, but I have learned a lot from experience. I think doctors forget that a lot of the things AS people have trouble with- things that don't come to us naturally- can be learned intellectually. That's what makes diagnosing AS in an adult so difficult. By the time we've grown up, we've had lots of time to learn to hide our more obvious signs of AS.
Yes.
I'm overly sensitive to others' body language and communication, but tend to misinterpret it.
It's like I lack any skin so everything is notice through acute senses, but once it gets to the brain it's just too much information, no information gets processed correctly, and I invariably screw up the response I give.
I can only interpret inflections in voices and facial expressions. I can't read eyes, or really get.. damnit.. I'm just going to say "Me too." I can't describe it.
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Another "me too", I can read more than they expect, I see beyond the expression to what they are masking. Mostly track one and track two are close, most people are honest. Some are not. I have learned when to duck, but how this works as a social skill is more than I can process.
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