"Neurodivergent" versus "Neurodiversity"

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20 Mar 2016, 8:55 am

A couple times now I've heard the term "neurodivergent" used in place of the term "neurodiversity."

Both times it could be traced back to undergraduates at my university, so it could be made up, and not really in use in the autism community. Or maybe I just don't understand.

IS "neurodivergent" an actual term? Does it mean something separate from "neurodiversity?"

So far it just sounds like that series of books "Divergent" to me. I can see how it would be attractive to link that series to autism, but if we already have a word that we're using, I'm not going to stop using it unless there's a reason it should now be out of date.

Can someone help me out?



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20 Mar 2016, 9:01 am

I am completely winging it here, but, maybe, within neurology, neurodivergent could make sense. "Divergent" from the norm, so to speak. Socially speaking, though, I suspect neurodiverse would be more reasonable.


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20 Mar 2016, 9:16 am

AspieUtah wrote:
I am completely winging it here, but, maybe, within neurology, neurodivergent could make sense. "Divergent" from the norm, so to speak. Socially speaking, though, I suspect neurodiverse would be more reasonable.


But have you heard of it? Any of us could make up a term. "Neuro-it's complicated" "neurounique" "neuroefficient" "neuroevolved" and so on and so forth. I'm wondering if the people at my university made up a term.



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20 Mar 2016, 9:30 am

SocOfAutism wrote:
A couple times now I've heard the term "neurodivergent" used in place of the term "neurodiversity."

Both times it could be traced back to undergraduates at my university, so it could be made up, and not really in use in the autism community. Or maybe I just don't understand.

IS "neurodivergent" an actual term? Does it mean something separate from "neurodiversity?"

So far it just sounds like that series of books "Divergent" to me. I can see how it would be attractive to link that series to autism, but if we already have a word that we're using, I'm not going to stop using it unless there's a reason it should now be out of date.

Can someone help me out?


Just going by how English usually works:

"Neurodiverse" is an adjective, and it applies to a large group of people, or to a whole society.

"Neurodivergent" can be either a noun, or an adjective, and it would apply to an individual.

A person with autism could be described as "neurodivergent", or as being "a neurodivergent".

But an individual person cant be "neurodiverse". But a school classroom, or the staff of a company, that has a mix of NTs, ASD's, and ADHD folks, might be described as being "neurodiverse".



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20 Mar 2016, 9:32 am

But I am sure "neurodivergent" is a made up word.

But all words in every language started out as "made up".

Whether its a legit needed word that should be allowed to catch on is an open question.



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20 Mar 2016, 9:39 am

Neurodiversity is the concept. Neurodivergent describes people.


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20 Mar 2016, 9:40 am

I thought of the book series.
Then I looked to see if any user names were Four (or Five)

Words like numbers are things I like. (Odd numbers as a preference)


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20 Mar 2016, 9:55 am

ASPartOfMe wrote:
Neurodiversity is the concept. Neurodivergent describes people.


Okay, THAT part of it makes sense now.

Does it mean "neuroqueer"? as in a blanket noun for a person with non-typical neurological development? As in, if you are autistic but also have ADHD you would say "neurodivergent" instead of simply "autistic."

(Being "queer" is if you are "mostly gay" but sometimes have straight relationships or some similar "fluid" sexual orientation.)



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20 Mar 2016, 10:04 am

SocOfAutism wrote:
ASPartOfMe wrote:
Neurodiversity is the concept. Neurodivergent describes people.


Okay, THAT part of it makes sense now.

Does it mean "neuroqueer"? as in a blanket noun for a person with non-typical neurological development? As in, if you are autistic but also have ADHD you would say "neurodivergent" instead of simply "autistic."

(Being "queer" is if you are "mostly gay" but sometimes have straight relationships or some similar "fluid" sexual orientation.)


Why are you making it so complicatedf?

"Divergent" just means leaving the beaten path ( diverging from a line on another line). So anyone non NT is "neurodivergent" whether they have comorbids or not. If you're autistic you're "neurodivergent", or if you're autistic seasoned with ADHD, you're also "neurodivergent". It would be catch-all for any and all who are not NT.



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20 Mar 2016, 10:45 am

naturalplastic wrote:
SocOfAutism wrote:
ASPartOfMe wrote:
Neurodiversity is the concept. Neurodivergent describes people.


Okay, THAT part of it makes sense now.

Does it mean "neuroqueer"? as in a blanket noun for a person with non-typical neurological development? As in, if you are autistic but also have ADHD you would say "neurodivergent" instead of simply "autistic."

(Being "queer" is if you are "mostly gay" but sometimes have straight relationships or some similar "fluid" sexual orientation.)


Why are you making it so complicatedf?

"Divergent" just means leaving the beaten path ( diverging from a line on another line). So anyone non NT is "neurodivergent" whether they have comorbids or not. If you're autistic you're "neurodivergent", or if you're autistic seasoned with ADHD, you're also "neurodivergent". It would be catch-all for any and all who are not NT.


It was really confusing me. But your explanation actually makes a lot of sense.



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20 Mar 2016, 11:57 am

Certainly a new word to me!

Kind of makes sense though, now that I see it. I would think of "neuro-divergent" as meaning "not neuro-typical", whereas to me, "neuro-diversity" implies the inclusion of everybody, including NT people - in the same way that "ethnic diversity" does not exclude Caucasian people of West European ancestry.


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21 Mar 2016, 12:01 pm

Neurodiversity = the belief that all kinds of minds are valuable and having an unusual mind does not mean being defective or needing to become more normal in some way

Neurodivergent = a person whose mind works in an atypical way, such as autistic, gifted, cognitively disabled, ADHD, LD, etc

So one is the name of a political movement, the other is a term for the people that political movement seeks to defend. It's like the difference between the terms 'anti-racism' and 'ethnic minority'.

In many ways neurodivergent is similar to the word queer. I've heard standard gays call themselves queer because they'd rather use a more general term instead of the precise term. I've also heard people call themselves queer because they aren't heterosexual but don't fit any specific label precisely, or don't know where they fit in the sexuality rainbow.

Similarly, anyone who isn't neurotypical is neurodivergent - whether they be autistic, ADHD, etc, or have multiple conditions. But the term probably appeals more to those people who don't fit the narrower categories.



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28 Mar 2016, 2:06 pm

"Neurodiverse" includes NTs as a principle. Some people incorrectly think that neurodiversity doesn't involve NTs.



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28 Mar 2016, 2:11 pm

I don't like any of the words.



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28 Mar 2016, 2:23 pm

naturalplastic wrote:
SocOfAutism wrote:
A couple times now I've heard the term "neurodivergent" used in place of the term "neurodiversity."

Both times it could be traced back to undergraduates at my university, so it could be made up, and not really in use in the autism community. Or maybe I just don't understand.

IS "neurodivergent" an actual term? Does it mean something separate from "neurodiversity?"

So far it just sounds like that series of books "Divergent" to me. I can see how it would be attractive to link that series to autism, but if we already have a word that we're using, I'm not going to stop using it unless there's a reason it should now be out of date.

Can someone help me out?


Just going by how English usually works:

"Neurodiverse" is an adjective, and it applies to a large group of people, or to a whole society.

"Neurodivergent" can be either a noun, or an adjective, and it would apply to an individual.

A person with autism could be described as "neurodivergent", or as being "a neurodivergent".

But an individual person cant be "neurodiverse". But a school classroom, or the staff of a company, that has a mix of NTs, ASD's, and ADHD folks, might be described as being "neurodiverse".



This is the correct definition. I'm surprised that more people here haven't heard of it. The human race as a whole is neurodiverse, and within that diversity there are individual people, such as those with autism, who are correctly described as neurodivergent.