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24 Mar 2016, 1:51 pm

Can you give me a reason why someone with aspergers would say to another aspie "you need conform"?



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24 Mar 2016, 3:07 pm

"You need to conform"?

Because then you can have a job.



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25 Mar 2016, 12:03 am

Because it helps you get a job, get along with people, have better respect from others, and have less misunderstandings.


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25 Mar 2016, 3:33 am

I never met any aspies IRL, but they would say that because they're driven for survival and fear.
They suggests so out of their experiences and concern.


This isn't the case for me.


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25 Mar 2016, 6:37 am

I don't see conforming as giving up personal identity or individuality. It can be taken to that extreme. But, I agree that it would help in job hunting and social situations.

I don't know about many people here, but I've always wanted to be a part of society and be able to do the things I see other people do. I don't do it worth a damned though and at my age, I'm just too burned out to try much anymore.


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25 Mar 2016, 7:10 am

zkydz wrote:
I don't see conforming as giving up personal identity or individuality. It can be taken to that extreme. But, I agree that it would help in job hunting and social situations.

I don't know about many people here, but I've always wanted to be a part of society and be able to do the things I see other people do. I don't do it worth a damned though and at my age, I'm just too burned out to try much anymore.



It's impossible for me to conform because my brain is wired differently. It's like being a right hander trying to use your non dominant hand in everyday life it's not natural.



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25 Mar 2016, 10:14 am

Jamesy wrote:
zkydz wrote:
I don't see conforming as giving up personal identity or individuality. It can be taken to that extreme. But, I agree that it would help in job hunting and social situations.

I don't know about many people here, but I've always wanted to be a part of society and be able to do the things I see other people do. I don't do it worth a damned though and at my age, I'm just too burned out to try much anymore.



It's impossible for me to conform because my brain is wired differently. It's like being a right hander trying to use your non dominant hand in everyday life it's not natural.

Yeah, that doesn't mean you should try. Imagine being left handed and having no left hand and having to adapt. Would you just stop or do you continue to try?


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25 Mar 2016, 10:25 am

There is no reason

After my diagnosis my counselor told me if I was happy with my life we had nothing to work on

On the other hand I wanted
Better connection with my wife (who is attending couples with me)
I wanted to be better at work and a bit of fear of firing which brought me to counseling in the first place

Less meltdowns especially at home

All this without cutting out my creative music and comedy side.
My Aspie brain connections give me a great jazz harmonica to find notes that shouldn't work but they do. Musicians and I mean classically trained ask me how I do it. I honestly tell them I don't know. I also find improvisation in word - facial and body movement interpretation and expression works well on vs. Off stage.


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25 Mar 2016, 10:50 am

I've always like Starry Night....and the Don McLean song, too.



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25 Mar 2016, 10:56 am

Paint your colors Blue & Grey.

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Was the song Bye Bye...?


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25 Mar 2016, 10:58 am

If someone needs serious help, in the form of health care or social services, I think it's better to conform to the system that's in place to help people in need, than to fail miserably at self-care.



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25 Mar 2016, 11:08 am

I think I see several versions of conform here.

I am using conform to identify the desire to be able to blend, but not become someone else.

If it's 'conformity' to want to be able to speak in a conversation, then I am a conformist.

If it's 'conformity' to want to be able to not stand out because I do strange things, then, I'm a conformist.

Basically, I don't want to lose my self-identity or the good things I can do. I just want to flow in society and at work a bit better. Maybe actually be able to hold onto a relationship.

But, I certainly do not mean 'lock-step', sheep mentality here.


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25 Mar 2016, 1:40 pm

I've gotten better at conforming over the past 10 weeks. I don't dress like a Mod anymore and I save those clothes for work. I dress unisex casual nowadays. I also make an effort to make sure my hair doesn't get too long. I'm also more polite and mature than I was the months and weeks leading up to Christmas. I also don't join in with Dean when he's teasing Barb about sex and bodily functions.


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25 Mar 2016, 3:35 pm

Some Aspergians conform more easily than others, and some may have been trained from an early age to "Do as the Romans." It's not uncommon for parents and teachers (especially those unfamiliar with autism) to use punishment and negative reinforcement, because they think that autistic children need to be "trained" and "normalized." Thus, an Aspie who was trained to fake it may find it disconcerting when someone else doesn't act in the "normal" way that was drilled into their minds.



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25 Mar 2016, 4:41 pm

Pergerlady wrote:
Some Aspergians conform more easily than others, and some may have been trained from an early age to "Do as the Romans." It's not uncommon for parents and teachers (especially those unfamiliar with autism) to use punishment and negative reinforcement, because they think that autistic children need to be "trained" and "normalized." Thus, an Aspie who was trained to fake it may find it disconcerting when someone else doesn't act in the "normal" way that was drilled into their minds.
I don't know about the Aspie finding it disconcerting. But, those of us who are old enough and were quite well punished for our transgressions, had to learn to fake it. Many of us just withdrew. Many of us acted out. And, many of us do both. And, it's not "Do as the Romans". It's getting smacked for being 'fidgety' or 'antsy' or getting spanked (and I don't mean a pop on the ass, I'm talking bruises or worse) for 'not following rules' or worse, 'being too old/smart and should know better'. Hands smacked, made to sit on them, pinched to get the attention quietly and then smacked because you said 'ow' too loud.

If the vast majority of the world is one way, I have no problem with that. But, I've bent as much as I can and it needs to bend a little back.

And, quite frankly, if I can find a way to tell people or let those who need to know how they can bend with me, then all the better. But, there has to be some conformity on both sides.

In a world where everybody is jumping up and down saying how things should be, those same people generally don't practice what they preach when it comes to others.


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29 Mar 2016, 9:08 pm

zkydz wrote:
Jamesy wrote:
zkydz wrote:
I don't see conforming as giving up personal identity or individuality. It can be taken to that extreme. But, I agree that it would help in job hunting and social situations.

I don't know about many people here, but I've always wanted to be a part of society and be able to do the things I see other people do. I don't do it worth a damned though and at my age, I'm just too burned out to try much anymore.



It's impossible for me to conform because my brain is wired differently. It's like being a right hander trying to use your non dominant hand in everyday life it's not natural.

Yeah, that doesn't mean you should try. Imagine being left handed and having no left hand and having to adapt. Would you just stop or do you continue to try?


If you lose your dominant hand, obviously you'll try to use your weaker hand. But that's a silly analogy. An aspie is more like a left-handed person who still has both hands (unless they've also experienced an acquired disability affecting an area of strength - like a person with NVLD getting aphasia). They can do it the 'normal' way (maybe), or they can do it an autistic way. Why not pick the one that works better? Similarly, a leftie who has both hands working fine has no reason not to use their best hand, except for it making them stand out.