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monastic
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23 May 2005, 8:55 am

My son has had problems relating to his mother and father and sibling as far back as I can remember. He always seemed to have so many needs. We worked so hard trying to meet his needs but it has been a struggle that always left us so drained.

We suffered through it though and are quite proud of the man he has become. Our son is truly a blessing and we wouldn’t trade him for anything in this world. My youngest son loves his big brother and doesn’t care if big brother is not like us.

I always hoped that my son could learn our ways and that he didn’t have to struggle so. He tries so hard to understand us but it’s just that he is wired differently and views the world in a different way.

I believe this forum could help him so very much because he is a father now and his son and him are also struggling to understand each other. I’m sure many of you in this forum would accept him with open arms, but others I’m afraid would turn him away because of his neurological differences. It seems so unfair because, I’m sure he could benefit greatly by being a member here at WrongPlanet.

I’m so very proud of him and I could care less what others think of him but I would not wish him to become a member here only to be put down and bullied because he is different. Maybe someday, when we can all respect each other regardless of our differences I will ask him to join his brother and I here but until that day, I will hope for a better tomorrow.

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In case you haven't already guessed...

My oldest son is neurotypical and his family loves him very much.



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23 May 2005, 11:04 am

This type of humor is just what we need :lol:


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23 May 2005, 11:10 am

monastic wrote:
We worked so hard trying to meet
his needs but it has been a struggle
that always left us so drained.


monastic wrote:
problems relating to his mother and
father and sibling as far back as I can
remember.


monastic wrote:
We suffered through it though and are quite
proud of the man he has become. Our son is
truly a blessing and we wouldn’t trade him for
anything in this world. My youngest son loves
his big brother and doesn’t care if big brother
is not like us.


monastic wrote:
I always hoped that my son could learn our
ways and that he didn’t have to struggle so.
He tries so hard to understand us but it’s just
that he is wired differently and views the world
in a different way.


monastic wrote:
he is a father now and his son and him are also
struggling to understand each other.


monastic wrote:
I’m sure many of you in this forum would accept
him with open arms, but others I’m afraid would
turn him away because of his neurological
differences.


monastic wrote:
It seems so unfair because, I’m sure he could
benefit greatly by being a member here at
WrongPlanet.


monastic wrote:
I would not wish him to become a member here
only to be put down and bullied because he is
different. Maybe someday, when we can all respect
each other regardless of our differences I will ask
him to join his brother and I here but until that day,
I will hope for a better tomorrow.


monastic wrote:
In case you haven't already guessed...

My oldest son is neurotypical and his family
loves him very much.


Hmmm? Older Aspie-HFA-Autism Spectrumed?
-JEDI, I see and I saw that there was more to
this that meet the eye!

I have marty'd myself many times and put
myself at risk this site so folks like you
can be able to express freely.

Here are a series of thoughts:

1)...Was what I did to raise awareness
of different war camps or posts read
in general that causes this concern?

2)...I was originally going to say
NT parents but my instincts said
"wait!" and I follow my instincts.

Hmmmm?

•Aspie son have him-older-AS? Jedi????
hmmm?

•I can surmised my opinions but I will
let you take the ball on this, let's not
jump to conclusions?

3)...What EXACTLY concerns you about
this site, older-AS? Jedi, instintctive be
I-but search your feelings and then answer!
Hmmmmm?

Most inquisitively yours,
Jedi(actually not! but a little fun is not bad)
Master Ghosthunter(I just saw Star Wars III
and loved it!)



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23 May 2005, 11:43 am

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but others I’m afraid would
turn him away because of his neurological
differences.


Monastic, let it go already. I personally think as long as your son doesn't pretend he is an Aspie and is very clear that he is an NT, he is not being unethical, b/c if you have AS and he is supporting you, by being a family member, then it is okay for him to be a member. How many times do I need to state that people like him shouldn't be excluded?

Why would he benefit from being here and how would enhance our already large membership when he himself is neurotypical?

I believe those are important questions he should ask himself before joining.

As I have been diagnosed with AS, I know I have it, therefore I am wired toward needing people to be honest, upfront about motives and ethical in their behaviour, which are common AS traits. I don't think that is too much to ask, do you?


Maybe your son should read the "membership discussion" post and read the responses to see if he really wants to be here. He might not think he would benefit from being a member. Just a suggestion.

Tallgirl.



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23 May 2005, 3:10 pm

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Monastic, let it go already.


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Why would he benefit from being here and how would enhance our already large membership when he himself is neurotypical?

I believe those are important questions he should ask himself before joining.


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As I have been diagnosed with AS, I know I have it, therefore I am wired toward needing people to be honest, upfront about motives and ethical in their behaviour, which are common AS traits. I don't think that is too much to ask, do you?


Hi Tallgirl, I’m sure you will also understand that because of the way I am wired, I have a very hard time accepting and “letting go” of injustices such as segregation, divisions, hierarchy, prejudices and bigotry, in my POV they are Wrong and could not possibly be constructive to the future of autistics. I mean, doesn’t it make sense to try and prove wrong a lot of the misinformation out there about autism?

This forum is a unique place in that it allows us to show the world what we are really like. I am not a defective, paranoid, dangerous or a diseased individual to be Cured or Wiped off the face of the earth. If we divide ourselves from the world how will people ever know that we are caring, imaginative and inspirational intelligent people that make a considerable contribution to this world. Do you think that groups such as CAN and DAN will allow the world to see us in a true light? (I somehow doubt it). I know you would like to have a place all to yourself with other aspies and no NT’s but where does the dividing and segregation end?

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Maybe your son should read the "membership discussion" post and read the responses to see if he really wants to be here. He might not think he would benefit from being a member. Just a suggestion.

I said that I do not wish to put my son through the put-downs and ill remarks but son is not the type to sit there while someone brow beats him. He is quite bold and opinionated himself (He’s my son :) so this comes naturally to him). I think I forgot to mention that he is an elementary school teacher working towards becoming an administrator. My son is Neurotypical and yet does what he can as an Autistic Advocate. Not an advocate for a Cure and ABA treatment for autistics but an advocate for teaching teachers how to better understand how autistic children learn the best. There is still so little information out there about Autism (or at least information that shows us as people with a neurological difference instead of someone that's defective that needs to be changed or cured).

The civil rights movement had many cultures and people of many skin colors and the woman’s rights movement also had males working to allow equality. Why then shouldn’t neurotypicals and autistics alike be joined in unity? Do we really want to separate ourselves from the whole world or are we just tired of being misunderstood?



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23 May 2005, 5:01 pm

Sounds like your son is the kind of person who we could benifit from each other and any disagreements would likely be settled quickly.



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23 May 2005, 5:50 pm

'... injustices such as segregation, divisions, hierarchy'

I can only point out, as has already been done, that there already is a division here. I like the way people gloss over it and push their own interests though. It's so human! carry on!



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23 May 2005, 7:29 pm

OK, I think it is time to confront this issue here.

Simply put, we need NTs here to understand their point of view as much as they need us to understand our point of view. The site philosiphy is that all are welcome unless they abuse the site or others on the site. It is that philosiphy that made me join this site as opposed to other sites that make persons with AS seem superior somehow to NTs. The openess of the site may make us vulnerable to persons who want to make us out to be freaks but that is a cost to the openess and that is one cost I am willing pay.

Besides, how do you prove that someone is not an NT? Many members of this site are undiagnosed currently. In addition to that, do we say that NT parents/spouses/siblings/etc are banned or allowed? Do we force members to send proof to some WP authority? I do not know about anyone else but I for one am not sending anyone information about myself.

Simply put, we need NTs. If anything, they will make Alex's life so much easier than banning people simply based on whether they are NT or not.

I hope this helps.


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24 May 2005, 12:06 am

Monastic, I am also interested in being an advocate and I think your son would be very good to have here and that his presence could only benifit the community.