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26 Apr 2007, 12:47 pm

Hi everyoune

I don’t seem to be normal in a few ways and would like to tell you about it to see everyone’s input on it. First I hardly have emotion, I only feel the emotions when they get real intense. I find it real hard to make decisions especially when it relies on emotions such as "where do you want to eat" or shopping for clothes. I cannot read body language and I don't smile that often. The best way to get me to smile it make me laugh. I don’t seem to focus on one thing, but I focus on many different things at one time. I don’t read fiction books, but I will read 3-4 subject books at the same time. I think this comes from the ability to make decisions. I cannot decide what I want to read or what I want to do as far as a job. I have no sense of remorse and the only thing that keeps from doing terrible things sometimes is I know that its wrong. Only because I know that I would get punishment for it and I know that people will not like me and think differently about me is what restrains me from doing things. I don't have any friends, just people I talk to at work. I am engaged and have been married before. I tend to be a hard worker, but cannot function as well without someone telling me what to do. Same thing goes in my relationship.

My first thought was that when I was about 3 I was riding on the front of a 3-wheeler when my dad drove it into a tree at full speed. I hit the tree headfirst and was carried to the couch where I laid for awhile. I have noticeable dents in my forehead and quickly noted that I possibly had a frontal lobotomy of sorts. Instead of having the front part of brain cut out I had it smashed. That explains most of it, but I wanted other peoples opinion.



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26 Apr 2007, 12:57 pm

NOPE, WRONG part of the brain! If you DID have a frontal lobotomy, it doesn't seem to have affected you much. ALSO, did you feel very tired, and go to sleep, or become unconscious? Most people having brain damage, from what I understand, DO! Of course, shock can cause that also.

The very fact you REMEMBER it seems to indicate it shouldn't be a concern.

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26 Apr 2007, 1:52 pm

schizophrenia, dude. theres like 5 or 6 types :D


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26 Apr 2007, 1:59 pm

Sounds like it could be AS, or mild brain damage, depending on if your condition is a product of the accident or not. A lot of the things you have mentioned I have, although I feel guilt all the time. Many aspies don't though.

Sophist on this site wrote this, how strongly do you identify with it?

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LIST OF COMMON SYMPTOMOLOGY FOR AUTISTIC SPECTRUM DISORDERS:

This is not an exhaustive list of characteristics of the Autistic Spectrum nor are all these characteristics particular to autism alone. It includes a listing of symptoms one may see in ASDs. But please note that not every autistic person is going to display every point on this list nor to a similar degree as the next. This is just a general guideline to some of the underlying issues seen in ASDs.


Anxiety/GABA-related Issues:

OCD-like Tendencies These symptoms are on a spectrum of their own within Autistic Spectrum Disorders. They can include full-blown OCD or milder, undiagnosable symptoms such as a preference for routine, difficulty with change, repetitive thought processes, and compulsions which may fall short of the full OCD criteria.

Anxiety Issues The anxiety can vary wildly from sudden panic attacks to more specific phobias. Social Phobia is a common comorbid. If not diagnosable with Social Phobia, many autistics may have a general social uneasiness. Anxiety can also often focus around the OCD-like issues and involve compulsions and/or obsessive and repetitive thoughts.

Obsessions Despite that the DSM and many books imply an autistic person is usually only obsessed with one thing at a given time, the focus should be on the level of the obsession and/or whether it us an unusual interest; not the number of obsessions. The duration can be longstanding (years) or even as brief as a single afternoon. Instead the focus should be on the intensity and/or the abnormality of the obsession, itself, and not the number or duration. Some ADHD symptoms can often make obsessional interests last shorter than “stereotypical”.

Self-stimulatory Behaviors In some autistic individuals, this symptom is very extreme; in others, it may be subtle or solely done in private. Stimulatory behaviors are common to all humans; however, autistics tend to stim more frequently and perhaps may or may not inhibit their stimulatory behavior simply due to social convention. Stimulatory behaviors (or rather an increase in these behaviors) is often triggered by a non-homeostatic emotional state (e.g., anxiety or excitement). However, stimming can also be a sensory-exploration and not simply a method of anxious calming. Examples of stimming behavior can include (but are not limited to): hand flapping, rocking, pacing, other hand movements, etc.

Hyper- and Hypo-sensory Issues These can involve any of the senses: sight, sound, touch, taste, smell, vestibular system (balance), proprioception (joint awareness; limb awareness), exteroception (skin awareness), and interoception (awareness of the inner body: organs such as stomach, bladder, bowel movements, etc.). Vestibular abnormalities, proprioception, exteroception, and interoception all seems to be fairly constant in abnormal functioning; however, the level of sensitivity of the five main senses can many times be contingent upon anxiety levels. Many autistics experience a consistent abnormality in several of these senses, but level of severity (e.g., an increase in discomfort) can be affected by anxiety levels.


Body Issues:

Coordination, Balance, and Body Awareness Each of these areas can be affected. As stated above, issues in these areas are usually constant in nature and not quite as vulnerable to shifts in anxiety. However, these functions can decline during a task which requires divided attention.


Cognitive Functioning:

Executive Dysfunction Autistics can have varying levels and combinations of EDF. Most have issues with multitasking, some even to the point that looking and listening can be a difficult task. Social multitasking can be an issue. Common ADHD symptoms are most often noted, if not full-blown ADHD. With this, attentional problems, organization, multitasking, and goal-oriented planning and carrying out of these plans can all be affected. Although each autistic will show varying levels of severity.

Language Expression For some autistics, language can be impaired as severely as a complete inability to communicate verbally (either due to a larger language disability or just verbal motor apraxia). For others, language can be less noticeably affected. Some autistics may exhibit poor prosodic control such as monotonic speech, some may have poor volume control, others may prefer to do voices, others still may have an unusual way with words. But this does not discount autistics who, through years of learning, have also come to blend fairly well, language-wise, into the world.

Social Issues This is the symptom which is often most obvious to onlookers or during interaction and the reason Autistic Spectrum Disorders have mistakenly been called “social disorders”. Issues in this area can range from very severe to very mild. Most autistics have difficulty in this broad area, although, as just stated, these difficulties can be very subtle in some and difficulty in this area is not a condemnation to lifelong solitude (many autistic people are married and have children, friends, etc). As a generalization, males tend to be more seriously affected in this area, especially those with Aspergers or High-Functioning Autism-- although that is not a steadfast rule to diagnose by. Some of the common symptoms which add to social difficulty can include: nonverbal reading issues, social multitasking, social phobia and other anxiety issues, and theory of mind problems. Some autistics may also have less of a desire to interact socially, although this is certainly not the case for all.

Nonverbal Language Issues Many autistic people have difficulty in recognizing, reading, and interpreting nonverbal communication. Nonverbal communication includes gestures, facial movements, body positioning and other sorts of communication which do not deal with verbal language or prosody. However, within the autistic spectrum, disability in this area can range from only very mildly affected where the person may miss things but overall keeps up with a majority of social cues to someone more seriously affected and who cannot recognize, read, and interpret the majority of nonverbal language.

Prosodic Interpretation Some autistic people can have difficulty in reading the portion of verbal language which includes voice tone and range. There is more meaning in language than simply words, and prosodic language can be integral to correctly interpreting communication. Some autistics may only listen to the actual words and completely ignore intonation, while others may only miss subtler tonal cues.

Emotional Dysregulation Many autistic people have difficulty with the regulation of their emotions. This can include a wide variety of emotions and can range from under-responsiveness to over-responsiveness; this dysregulation can also range from causing a severe disability to something which is only mildly problematic. The autistic person may have the utmost patience for a normally-frustrating project while on the other hand, they may erupt over something seemingly trivial. Not every autistic person has difficulties with emotional regulation and for those who do, the level of dysregulation can often be traced back to stress levels. If the person is going through a more stressful period in life, their ability to control their emotional behavior may lessen.

Local Processing Bias Autistics often have a Weak Central Coherence for information. If one thinks of nonautistic people as being the “generalizers” of the world-- those who are constantly making associations during their intake and analysis of information-- autistics could be called the “specializers”, where information is coded more piecemeal or non-associatively. This is the main reason many autistics have issues with literal interpretation of language and/or concepts, because it takes a great deal of neural cooperation to tie concepts together. For an autistic, this can be both an advantage and disadvantage in that it is more difficult to build conceptual gestalts but it is easier to see and analyze the parts of these gestalts. However, as a caution, as with all the symptoms associated with the autistic spectrum, this local processing bias varies by degree from autistic to autistic and can cause varying levels of ability and disability.

Sleep Disturbances Many autistics have issues with sleep. Often it is a difficulty with sleep (e.g.., getting to sleep) or staying asleep. Sometimes it can be an OCD-like issue regarding repetitive thoughts and the inability to “wind down”.

Talent Areas Many autistics seem to have splinter skills, talents, or even prodigious talent areas. The areas most noted are: music, art, mathematics, language acquisition, memory, visuo-spatial skills, writing, and analysis of information. Though this list is by no means exhaustive.


Medical Issues:

Autoimmune Dysfunction More recent research supports the notion that a portion of ASDs may involve an autoimmune component. These immune components can include IgA Deficiency, Rheumatoid Arthritis, Hypothyroidism, gastrointestinal issues such as Celiac Disease, Irritable Bowel Syndrome, nondescript gluten allergies, casein allergy, lactose allergy, other sinus-related allergies, and asthma. As further research is performed, other related issues may continue to arise.


Common Comorbids:

Common Comorbid Conditions: ADHD/ADD, OCD, Depression, Central Auditory Processing Disorder, Learning Disabilities including Nonverbal Learning Disorder, Dyslexia and other disorders of written or verbal expression, Tourette's and other Tic Disorders, Bipolar Disorder, Psychosis (most often noted in the teenage or early adult years), Schizophrenia, Epilepsies, various apraxias, Prosopagnosia and other perceptual disorders (e.g., depth perception), various synaesthesias, and a host of others. For some, addictions can also be an issue.


Family Genetics:

Family Genetics In most Autistic Spectrum Disorders, it seems many genes are involved; therefore, it is likely these characteristics did not arise out of the blue. Like any other phenotypic expression, most often if a child exhibits some characteristic, members within his or her family will express similar characteristics. A “Broader Autistic Phenotype” can often be seen within these families (i.e., Shadow Syndromes) if not autism itself. Although in females these expressions may be subtler due to a possible genetic suppression that female-sex-specific genetics may wield, so in looking back on the family the possibility of this sex-specific suppression needs to be kept in mind.



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26 Apr 2007, 2:00 pm

You sound really messed up man.
You need to see a doctor and get on appropriate medication and quick.



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26 Apr 2007, 2:07 pm

I agree with SteveK in that I doubt you had any real damage to your frontal lobe. Even people who are in comas for short periods of time often end up with no noticeable neurological deficits after a period of recovery. If your frontal lobe had been destroyed, as in a "frontal lobotomy", you would *definitely* have been in a coma and would have many more severe deficits than those mentioned here.

Also, the quote below describes your ability to plan and anticipate consequences, which are functions performed by the frontal lobe:

JamesH wrote:
Only because I know that I would get punishment for it and I know that people will not like me and think differently about me is what restrains me from doing things.


If your frontal lobe were not functioning, you would not be able to make decisions based on this kind of analysis. You would be likely to act impulsively, without considering consequences.

Definitely see a psychologist though if you want to get some info on what's going on with you. Like richardbenson said, you may have some psychological issue going on that warrants treatment. The flat emotions seem worrying, and would be consistent with schizophrenia and some other types of mental illness.



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26 Apr 2007, 2:15 pm

I don't remember that incident when I was younger, my parents told me about it. A frontal lobotomy as I have read in many different places states that the front part of the brain control decision making skills and emotion. I think it was in the 50's that they would cut off the front part of someone's brain while they were still awake to help with mental disorders and they would also do that to people with anger problems.

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I can talk to someone and listen to another conversation at the same time without missing a beat. People say that is good considering i'm a guy.
I do not like crowds very much and do not just walk up and meet people.
Some of the others like body language and voice tone I think I have just learned some as I have had to to get by.

schizophrenia??? I don't have voices in my head.



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26 Apr 2007, 2:18 pm

schizophrenia doesnt mean you have to hear voices, theres other types.


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26 Apr 2007, 2:19 pm

btw there is nothing wrong with being schizo, my grandma is :D


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26 Apr 2007, 2:22 pm

I do have a problem being assertive, and mean. I am always nice to people even when they are not nice to me and I hate argueing and hardly ever do, rather be passive and let them get their way then argue. I dont really have any talents, I am good at math and doing numbers in my head but nothing spectacular. I love learning how everything works and generally remember alot about that. I do have a slow retliation. I cannot think quickly on my feet.



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26 Apr 2007, 2:22 pm

Actually I did some research into fontal lobe and executive dysfunction when research about my problems and adhd. Yes it is possible to damage you frontal lobe this way. Unless you had devastating crush injury and damaged it this way you could also have microscopic legion(s) in the frontal lobe. This could cause you problems. But I definitely agree you need to see expert. Unfortunately if it is not clear like this all the different experts you need to see a very often not in the same area. You might get a lot of contradictory information just warning you.



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26 Apr 2007, 2:33 pm

Here's a quote on what the frontal lobes do:

"The frontal lobes have been found to play a part in impulse control, judgment, language production, working memory, motor function, problem solving, sexual behavior, socialization, and spontaneity. The frontal lobes assist in planning, coordinating, controlling, and executing behavior. People that have damaged frontal lobes may experience problems with these aspects of cognitive function, being at times impulsive; impaired in their ability to plan and execute complex sequences of actions; perhaps persisting with one course of action or pattern of behavior when a change would be appropriate

The so-called executive functions of the frontal lobes involve the ability to recognize future consequences resulting from current actions, to choose between good and bad actions (or better and best), override and suppress unacceptable social responses, and determine similarities and differences between things or events."

That's why I doubted you had any major damage to your frontal lobe, because you can clearly "recognize future consequences resulting from current actions", "choose between good and bad actions" and "override and suppress unacceptable social responses." Problems with those abilities were undesirable effects of many frontal lobotomies, BTW. That was part of the reason why they are no longer performed. Also, you can clearly regulate your attention, if you can talk while understanding another conversation. But maybe 0_equals_true is right, and you have microlesions. Maybe you should get some neuropsych testing?

The flat emotions to me still scream schizophrenia. How old are you, by the way? Schizophrenia usually develops in late adolescence and early adulthood.



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27 Apr 2007, 8:19 am

I'm 27 years old. I have not had any good friends in my life. I sat in my room and studied computers for since I was in college and while in public school I mainly played by myself or with my brother. There were not alot of kids in my area. There were some kids down the road that were 4 years younger than me that I went and saw a few times.



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27 Apr 2007, 9:03 am

I read about that and I do have alot of those symptoms. I have heard and saw things before but just breifly. I was driving down the road at night and saw a "stick deer" running beside me at 60pmh. And huge moths swooping down at my windshield, but I figured I was just tired. I have also heard things. I would heard sirens and trains(not at the same time), I would be far away from the train tracks. Again, it doesn't interfere with anything really I have not heard or saw anything in years. I do have a bad memory and cannot remember when things happened or who they were with. I am terrible at remembering dates. Or anything that has happened in the last few days, especially trying to remember what I ate. Unless it's something significant, then I can remember it. I was also 2 months premature and I am not real sure what all was wrong with me but I know that I weighed 3 lbs when I was born and the down to 2lbs. After a few months I was sent home with my mom. As far as I remember I have always been this way with my emotions. I also am not real good with sports and I think my best sport is basketball. It is difficult to hit a softball or baseball, and it takes me 3-4 tries to tee off in golf. I think that I try to swing too hard and miss, i have poor balance and im clumsy too.



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27 Apr 2007, 9:08 am

I agree. A person who had a frontal lobotomy would gradually lose function over the years until they wound up in a vegetative state, needing all their needs catered to.



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27 Apr 2007, 9:13 am

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I'm 27 years old. I have not had any good friends in my life. I sat in my room and studied computers for since I was in college and while in public school I mainly played by myself or with my brother. There were not alot of kids in my area. There were some kids down the road that were 4 years younger than me that I went and saw a few times.

I think you are going to need diagnosis. There may be similarities but this could happen for different reasons