The Reverse of the Mercury: Autism Theory

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05 Nov 2006, 5:46 pm

Oh God, people are just willing to kill their children in an effort to "cure" them.


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05 Nov 2006, 6:14 pm

When people are presented with the fact that Autism is the behavioral manifestation of a condition where the neurological topology of an autistic brain is differant than the typical model, do they still buy into the myth that via reducing the levels of heavy metals in their child through means such as chelation therapy, that their child's brain will somehow magically 'rewire' itself?

Or are they just not told by the quacks that peddle this crap that an autistic person's brain is differant to start with. --Supposing that Hg, and other heavy metals were really the cause of autism, the damage done by them would be as reversible as any other major brain injury, which is to say not very.


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05 Nov 2006, 6:16 pm

About the topical application, I think they STILL use DMSO! It can hurt the liver! As for mercury?

I asked my dentist what amalgam was, and they said "SILVER". Unfortunately, amalgam was not a word I knew at the time. If they pulled that garbage when I was an adult, I would have SUED!! !! ! They broke a FEDERAL law of INFORMED consent. Amalgams do NOT abandon their individual properties. In fact, the ADA has ALWAYS had strick guidelines in the handling and disposal of amalgam, something they would NEVER do if they thought it was truly safe.

They ALSO advise NOT removing them because of the possible release of mercury. HOW can people pull such garbage and STILL not be convicted of assualt and battery,(In my case child endangerment) and have their license revoked PERMANENTLY!

BTW Fillings I have had since have been plastic. I can only imagine what is in there, and insurance will NOT generally fully cover it, but it is better than a KNOWN problem.

BTW I DID wonder how they could melt the silver because of its high melting point. I knew WHY solder existed, and knew about silver solder(A mixture that contained solver in part, and was used for joining big metal pieces. I worked with electrical solder tin/lead as only IT had a low enough melting point to properly work with electronics.). Alas, I gave in. I should have been more stubborn!

BTW I showed signs of being autistic, etc... BEFORE the "amalgam". The amalgam DID seem to hurt me to some degree(though not obvious), but it wasn't autism.

The "cure" may have simply been a lessening of symptoms. They DO seem progressive to some degree. Any death of cells, or rewiring OBVIOUSLY wouldn't have been changed. Mercury MIGHT affect glial cells and neuropil though.

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06 Nov 2006, 2:32 am

I had my hair tested for minerials in 2000 (I was 30 years old then). Granted hair
testing is not accepted by the FDA for mineral testing.

Antimony 0.304 ppm (0-0.03 ppm "normal")
Arsenic 0.055 ppm (0-0.1 ppm)
Cadmium 1.840 ppm (0-0.15 ppm)
Lead 40.32 ppm (0-1.4 ppm)
Mercury 0.09 ppm (0-1 ppm)
Nickel 0.213 ppm (0-0.4 ppm)
Tin 0.433 ppm (0-0.28 )

Note I had atleast 3 silver/mercury fillings before 13 years old. But note my mercury levels are very low! Oh and heavy metals doing a permanent damage after about age 6 is less likely. Kids younger than 6 usually have teeth extracted (baby teeth) rather than
filled. So I'm not one who buys into the mercury autism connection.

Oh note my off the charts lead, antimony and cadmium! Antimony is used to harden lead alloys such as bullet lead and I did infact chew 22 cal rim fire bullet lead like gum.
At around 6 years old so I got a massive intake of lead&antimony at that time. Later
in life I worked with lead solder daily (low in antimony) and lead acid batteries(not
sure on antimony content). Any way while my antimony is off the charts to it must
be cleared from the body much easier than lead beause bullet lead alloys can contain a few percent of antimony and my ratio of lead to antimony was less than than 1%. But
I have no idea what 22 rimfire bullets had in the alloy in 1976 and the brand I had.

I think I read there is no known connection between high levels of lead and autism either. But there is a very large amount of data linking lead exposure before 6 as causing
permanent cognitive problems and violence , crime, etc latter(my personal experience to). So no question lead should be a concern for all people.

My cadmium being off the map is likely related to the large number of cadmium plated
parts I machined, grinded and buffed with no concern for the dust.



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06 Nov 2006, 7:53 am

TheMachine1,

WOW, I'm surprised you're still ok! As for lead being tied to autism? If it WAS, then autism would have DROPPED in the 1970s or so. Lead used to be EVERYWHERE! NOW its primary use is probably in solder and bullets. Even with SOLDER, they have flow soldering machines that limit the number o people exposed, etc....

BTW tin is used in electrical solder, so that explains the tin ALSO!

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29 Apr 2007, 4:18 am

TheMachine1 wrote:
I had my hair tested for minerials in 2000 (I was 30 years old then).

Lead 40.32 ppm [ref range 0-1.4 ppm]


I don't know if this is a typo on your part but if my lead levels were that high I would start a chelation process ASAP. You might wanna check out Andrew Hall Cutler's low dosage/high frequency chelation protocol. It is reputed safe, contrary to IV (intra-venous) chelation with DMPS. Mercury and Lead chronic (not acute) poisoning does share similar symptology to autism/asperger's/adhd/add/etc.

DMSA is an efficient Lead chelator. Alpha Lipoic Acid is a good mobilizer (it brings the heavy metal into blood stream where the DMSA is then able to bind with it, and through liver and kidney process gets excreted via urine).



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29 Apr 2007, 4:24 am

It says that it also causes allergies. Now that might be a good thing to get rid of.



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29 Apr 2007, 4:52 am

This garbage is a throwback to Nazi Germany, when we were the most likely to be put in gas chambers. I wish that there was a puking emoticon.

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29 Apr 2007, 5:47 am

epistemologicus wrote:
TheMachine1 wrote:
I had my hair tested for minerials in 2000 (I was 30 years old then).

Lead 40.32 ppm [ref range 0-1.4 ppm]


I don't know if this is a typo on your part but if my lead levels were that high I would start a chelation process ASAP. You might wanna check out Andrew Hall Cutler's low dosage/high frequency chelation protocol. It is reputed safe, contrary to IV (intra-venous) chelation with DMPS. Mercury and Lead chronic (not acute) poisoning does share similar symptology to autism/asperger's/adhd/add/etc.

DMSA is an efficient Lead chelator. Alpha Lipoic Acid is a good mobilizer (it brings the heavy metal into blood stream where the DMSA is then able to bind with it, and through liver and kidney process gets excreted via urine).


No it was no typo. I did use DMSA and in the first months of using it I had a sudden boost in energy levels. I later did infact use alpha lipoic acid. There is a study showing it
can help get the lead out of your brain.



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29 Apr 2007, 7:36 am

This is a quote from the article:

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"Many parents could benefit from chelation detox if it were mainstream
treatment. Funny -- if your child is suffering from lead poisoning they are
immediately chelated. But very few autistic children are even offered the
option."


I found that an odd quote, apparently the benifit is to the parent, not the child? :?



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29 Apr 2007, 9:02 am

TheMachine1 wrote:
can help get the lead out...


:lol:

My folks had all pewter dishes.
My personal plate had a particularly
high lead content.

Even recently, I drink water out of
a lead canteen. It tastes better.



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30 Apr 2007, 9:35 am

As I understand it, despite the lack of education many of these parents-- and even professionals-- seem to have regarding all this mercury stuff, I am beginning to realize that there may be some merit to it-- despite that I disagree with the chelation and other treatments for it and the reasons many people are seeking treatment so ruthlessly.

There is a possible cellular/metabolic basis for some of this. We've already discussed common immune issues related to ASDs in a couple other threads. It may also be possible that with environmental chemicals some of us may have a greater difficulty for our bodies to cellularly "clean" out the toxicity. We deal with chemicals every single day. There is a process called "methylation" which is a natural biological metabolic process. Methylation essentially helps to rid our bodies of free radicals. When it does not work properly, it can lead to oxidative stress. Mercury would be one radical that would normally be cleared (provided it's there in small amounts). In a body whose methylation pathways are somewhat impaired, this may not be achieved so easily and toxicity could potentially build and affect other processes.

I'm not saying to go and chelate children. It's not a healthy process to go through, and depending on the method used, can be dangerous. And if this is a chronic toxicity problem, a few rounds of chelation aren't going to yield permanent change.

However, WE are also right in thinking this is a genetic condition which is in-born in us from the time we're conceived. According to our cognitive cellular development and a greater number of minicolumns and hence cortical cells, this sort of cellular development is rooted within the first 10 weeks of gestational life. Now, it's possible that immune issues and possible methylation problems begin in the womb and determine our development, but it seems to me that if this is the case, that the immune system and environmental toxic agents have played a large role in MUCH of human development and need to be looked at the varying roles they've played, both for the better or worse. Instead of thinking of immune issues and toxic problems as "abnormal", instead I look at it as one of the many factors which has made us-- a portion of the human race-- who we are. Something has caused us to develop this way and I don't feel it as a slight to my person that my immune system and possibly methylation pathway had something to do with this; they are both a part of me.

Having an abnormal brain, an abnormal immune system, possibly an abnormal methylation pathway, this does not color autism for me as pathological and therefore needing to be cured. No, these are simply factors which may have helped make us who and what we are.


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