Is categorizing autism on WrongPlanet wrong?

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1)...The Questions?

"Is categorizing autism on wrongplanet
wrong? and if so, why?

2)...Statements by Ghosthunter!

To start this train of thought I have a few
things to say. Once I finish these trains
of thought I will resume my updating
posting of todays events.

Questions provided by Auttie34.....!

Fact or Fiction wrote:

you are automatically exempt from that
boring, mundane thing called a job.

Hmmm? I don't know about this!

Fact or Fiction wrote:

the government will take pity on you and
give you money (hopefully).

Ha! Ha! Ha!-you're killing me, please stop .
The government only helps drunks, druggies,
and riff-raff! I could die and they
wouldn't care

Fact or Fiction wrote:

you don't have to bother with condoms or
birth control because you are guaranteed to
remain a virgin until at least 25.

Righttt I frown upon this statement. I didn't
follow that virginal path. Those who sought chaotic
and unusueral energies crave what you don't see.
It is what you do that attracts them. It is not
being helpful that does. I can save you from
yourself and Ooh! thankyou! good bye and
they find some other sexual partner, and I say
"What did I do wrong?"..."I thought by being my
honest self you would want to go one step further
than conversation"...."I AM NOT A CONVIENT WALKING
MATTE FOR YOU TO STEP ON"

If I had a wish list it wouldn't be a million dollars,
a new car every two years, and a zilllion friends,
It would be love me for who I am Accept
me for who I am Walk on me not! I have feelings
A genuine relationship again

But that is wishful thinking so I walk alone and help
others and hope I don't become their walking matte

Fact or Fiction wrote:

nobody will believe you have any sort of creative
ability (case in point: first poetry by an autistic not
published until 1985, first autobiography by an
autistic not published until 1986, first fiction not
published until 1994), so you can create whatever
the hell you like.

Not true, our expression is sincerely expressed but
not always understood. Look at my dark and light
poetry and comments about them.

Fact or Fiction wrote:

people like oliver sacks and morley safer will come
to interview you because you are a fascinating freak
whose very existence prompts people to question the
definition of humanity.

Freak I may be, and wish lists that are improbable.
If that is a freak, then freak I be.

Fact or Fiction wrote:

people will adore you because humanity is constantly
craving stories of People Who Succeeded Against All
Odds.

True, I can't help not be myself and giving, I just
hope that it can help me as well. I cannot lie
to myself and If I lie to others I am lying to myself.
Thus my truth reigns true as with my courage that
goes with me when I am six-feet-under

Fact or Fiction wrote:

you will ensure that the doctors' families will never
go hungry because you will be passed around from
specialist to specialist like some exotic plant someone
found in the rainforest.

Odd I may be. But that is me!

Fact or Fiction wrote:

the anonymity of your condition in the media because
there are no cops, doctors, lawyers, scientists,
engineers, artists, authors, musicians, cartoonists,
students, or next-door neighbors with autism on any
dramas, sitcoms, movies, comic strips, or manga.

Fact or Fiction wrote:

you will never develop a $1,000-a-week drug habit
because you are guaranteed to become pathologically
obsessed with something or another.

I am pathologically helping others, even if I have
to suffer from this. Being one's walking matte
seems to follow me around.

Fact or Fiction wrote:

you will never have to take marijuana or LSD to
heighten your creative ability because you have
weird sh** lurking in your psyche to work with
anyway.

True! Look at the hobbies a HFA person adquires.

I have adopted hobbies in hauntings, ghosts,
roman coins, scottish coins, Wicca, ect.....
Freak I may be, but I can only be me!

Fact or Fiction wrote:

the honor of being included in revised, tenth and
eleventh edition art, literary, and science history
books — in 2084.

Fact or Fiction wrote:

you will never be f*** up (literally and figuratively)
by that terrible thing called romantic love.

Not true, it is just how they find you!

Fact or Fiction wrote:

you will never have to deal with the embarrassment
of being labeled "beautiful," because people think
you are too strange to be beautiful.

True and false! Our beauty is from within, our
art, words and feelings we express. Few may see
it, but I am not going for a popularity contest when
I do it. I am just being me.

Fact or Fiction wrote:

you will never be a divorcee because you only have
a 1 in 11 chance of getting married in this society
(according to one study).

This is true!

Fact or Fiction wrote:

you always have the option of going to europe and
japan like so many other pissed-off american expatriates,
but you will probably be even less accepted there.

Don't know!

Fact or Fiction wrote:

you can always speak your mind. you have a mind.
and a heart.

This is self evident in my scatterings of myself on this site,
and my lifes deeds. I cannot lie to you, I lie to myself and
that is the worst crime I can do to myself.

Most unhappy,
Ghosthunter(drip! drip! drip! as blood trickles on your
computer screens like a shot and wounded animal.

& to further my mood for the weekend......!

1)...The Question?

No question!

2)...The Statements by Ghosthunter!

A Poem wrote:

I walk this dark forest one as the
the trees. The leaves and the wind
are one with me. True connectedness
comes from the heart. The singlar
leaf cannot light lifes spark. The
wind will ruffle the mystery of me to
your ear. The sand beneath you feet
will tickle you and tell you I am near.

Can't you hear the wind pull your
direction so close and so far, so
this lonely heart can reach for you
not afar.

Bleeding with wisdom as the wind
blows on by. They who do not
hear the wind, just shiver and sigh.

Bleeding with truth and honesty
at your door. roses on one hand
and my heart not to be stepped upon
by you and not to reach the floor.

I harbour in the tree's so my
walk of shadow and light will
be seen. Child of Golden, felt
but sometimes unseen.

Bless be father skye, as your
golden light shines from me.
Bless be mother moon, as your
darkness eminates from me
felt, not seen. Silent be this
child golden, in dawns early
light. Hearts brave and not
many have felt it's brave flight.

I walk these streets alone
and wanting to touch, and speak
to you some more, but the
child is silent golden and seen
but not always heard upon your
door. May love and relationship
allow it to flow, as it's fire finds
water and flowers in the heart
can grow.

I know this is a sloppy poem,
but it is all that could come to mind
at 12:47am on a Tuesday. I seek
connectedness in my heart with
another, and being HFA that is
sometimes quite difficult.

I give my heart freely, and have
been trampled like your floor
rug and my emotions are sincere,
because I can't lie to you, since
if I do I lie to myself, and that
is the worst crime I can commit
and I have to live with myself.

I seek romance in my life so
feeling, heart , fire, emotion can
take flight. I can in energy
scare some, and those brave
inspire. Inspiration to others
gives me hope that I am, I grow
and persevere.

3)...The Question Repeated!

No question!

I suppose it depends why we are here. Is it to attempt to socialise with other more sympathetic and similarly afflicted people, to escape the routine of daily life, to understand more about ourselves?

And if it turns out that everyone is different then how much thought should we give to those of us who are here for reasons different to our own? To what extent are they affected by the purposes of our presence?

And does Autism have anything to do with this

I voted "don't know".

edit: I think I misunderstood the question...

Ghosthunter,

I read that "Fact or Fiction" post and I didn't come out and say so at the time (maybe I should have) but I hated it. It wasn't funny or entertaining to me, it sounded bitter and hurtful. I know the person that posted it didn't write it, so I said nothing because I didn't want to hurt their feelings or have them think I was attacking their views. I am a stubborn person (it's in my nature) and so I refuse to believe this post is talking about any of us. It is someone elses life not mine.

Ghosthunter, I see that (like me) words have a Haunting effect on you. They (the words) won't leave me be until I have thought them over and over and over again. It takes me a very long time to make sense of many things. I want you to know that I have felt some of the same feelings you have talked of but longing for things that are not on your present path, can sometimes just cause despair. Instead, try to focus on what is going right on your present path or what path you can take that will make you happy. There are many things that I cannot change in my life at the present time. Instead of making myself miserable about this, I have learned to change my attitude towards these things. It's all a matter of perspective really.

Ghosthunter, I don't know what to say to you on some of the matters you present, I just know that you move my heart to speak to you whenever I hear your poems or whenever I am somewhere near as you are bleeding, I wish to press my hands against the wound to (at least) slow down the bleeding.

You are not a freak, you are.....I'm sorry, I cannot express the right words....the closest word that comes to mind is a gift.

In answer to your question "Is categorizing autism on wrongplanet wrong?
and if so, why?" I have to say it is wrong.
Why? Because we are as different as the stars in the universe or the clouds in the sky.

I am honored/inspired/comforted.

Your most welcome and thanks for
responding to this forum

I don't think it's wrong to categorize autism. It's just another way to gather data, another way to learn.

When it becomes wrong is when categories breed prejudice, when categories become an excuse to separate and exclude people.

Categorizing members is good for understanding the background and thought process that influenced the finished thoughts that get posted. The danger in categorizing is that in can potentially create divisions among members.

PG17???

PG17 is a level of dialogue that isn't
so much impolite, but instead of a
nature that is EXPLICIT. One's feelings
about themselves and say, sex, family,
feelings, intensities, and things that most
PG13 site prohibit.

The bleeding processes is the process of
allow free flow of thought, thus healing.
PG13 scratches most surfaces, and PG17
is addressing things on a deeper, MORE
MEANINGFUL level.

A example: PG13
Person A, "Hi, I am new here and I am
feeling terrible."

Person B, "So, what is bothering you?"

Person A, "Well! my ....this is where the
deeper process needs bloodletting,
not a sensored response....via reading
some non-personalized expression.

A example: PG17
Person A, "Hi, I am new here and I am
feeling terrible."

Person B, "So,what is bothering you?"

Person A, "Well my girlfriend is having
her period, my mother is f..cking yelling
at me, my brother is a twit, and I am
emotionally overstressed.....ect! and
so forth!

This is my view of WrongPlanet, or PG17

Sincerely,
Ghosthunter

Hey GhostHunter

I say that everything has it's opposites. We live in a world of duality. Some will find good and some will find bad.
Once the Atom was a blob, then deeper knowledge came. Some use that knowledge to create a bomb, others go on to discover quatum physics.
I think that breaking things down and discorvering the finer details is great. I do it to EVERYTHING!!
I will increase my knowledge this way.
However if I mistake knowledge for wisdom, my tongue will flap wildly and my ears will turn upside down. (this is my way of saying, "rave and rant and refuse to listen".)

I think it would better to have a PG13 site with a couple of PG17 forums using the mores of the most conservative English speaking country as the standard. That way the the site is friendly to younger potential members and their parents, and still meets the needs of the adult members. Most importantly, avoid letting labels create divisions.

hmm I will see if I can clear this up. Some people gain knowledge but in having that knowledge cannot open to other possibilities. "MY knowledge is ULTIMATE knowledge" attitudes.

With this attitude, they stop listening. They start talking ALOT. And anyone who disagrees is thought of as them as "lacking knowledge" and in need of being told!
This to me is "ranting and raving" = going on and on about self ideals without pause to listen also. And I mean LISTEN. Most people when they stop talking and seem they are listening, turns out all they ever heard was the babble in their own brain!

I see this a lot everywhere! So a few years ago I wrote this prose that I think sums it up well: "If you mistake knowledge for wisdom, you tongue will flap wildly and your ears will turn upside down"meaning they will talk too much and will not listen enough.

I guess the reason I wrote that was to back up what I was saying.
I was saying that aquiring knowledge is a good thing. It can be used for betterment of plenty. However one needs to be on guard with knowledge. It can be a double edged sword, dangerous in the wrong minds.

I did not say this as a reflection of how I feel about your posts. I feel that you treat knowledge very objectivley and openly.

I actually would like very much to understand where it is this difference between HFA/AS is. It does however feel like water. Sometimes in motion, sometimes not. Sometimes one colour, sometimes another. Sometimes salty, sometimes fresh. Forever flowing and ebbing all in one. And when one reaches out to grasp it, it is unholdable in ones hand. So much falls away, leaving just the little bit in the palm of ones hand.