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Noca
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28 Jun 2016, 11:13 pm

I am sure many people know what "have his cake and eat it too" means, I do, but I still don't see how this idiom makes any literal sense at all. What does a cake have to do with wanting all the benefits but none of the risks/drawbacks? Can anyone explain this to me?



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28 Jun 2016, 11:23 pm

Looked it up....can't explain it any better than the articles I found:

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/02/20/magazine/20FOB-onlanguage-t.html?_r=0

http://www.todayifoundout.com/index.php/2014/01/cake-eat/


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29 Jun 2016, 12:19 am

I guess the literal sense is that if you eat your cake, you can't expect to still have the cake.



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29 Jun 2016, 12:29 am

Or maybe "You can't save your cake [for eating later] and eat it [right now], too".

I guess it only works where compromise is not an option.....because if I have a piece of cake that I want to eat right now, but also want to save for later, I can just cut it in two pieces and eat one half now and one half later. It only makes sense if I refuse to settle for half a piece of cake.


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29 Jun 2016, 12:38 am

I always think it's a strange one as well and makes me laugh out loud sometimes.

I mean, what else would you do with your cake if you're not going to eat it?


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29 Jun 2016, 1:25 am

The idiom used to be "you can't eat your cake and have it", but some idiot the order mixed up and now we've been saying it the stupid way ever since.


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29 Jun 2016, 3:57 am

Cake is good. (Unless you don't like cake Noca?)

The cake is a symbol. (You can replace with anything else that you like.)

'Have' is used in the context of 'to keep' not 'to eat'.

Wanting to both consume what you like, and also save it for use at a later date equates to a sign of greed and/or having impossible desires.



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29 Jun 2016, 4:30 am

I used to wonder that too.

What other way of "having" a cake is there, but to eat it?

But I guess it probably comes from weddings.

Some folks think their wedding cake is so beautiful to look at, and admire, that they dont wanna eat it. Want to preserve it forever as a keepsake.

Hense the dilemma of whether to eat it, or keep it to look at.



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29 Jun 2016, 9:50 am

My dad told me its suppose to mean like a win win. I never understood it. The only good thing about cake is to eat it, why would i just have a cake and not eat it?


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29 Jun 2016, 10:29 am

Apparently it's not just ASDers who find this particular proverb confusing:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Have_one' ... eat_it_too

I think the Hungarian version is clearer: "It is impossible to ride two horses with one butt." They mean simultaneously of course. But I think if the horses were very well-trained and the rider was very skilled, and had a very wide butt, it might be possible, for a moment or two.



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29 Jun 2016, 10:41 am

ToughDiamond wrote:
Apparently it's not just ASDers who find this particular proverb confusing:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Have_one' ... eat_it_too

I think the Hungarian version is clearer: "It is impossible to ride two horses with one butt." They mean simultaneously of course. But I think if the horses were very well-trained and the rider was very skilled, and had a very wide butt, it might be possible, for a moment or two.

That is a far better analogy than using cakes.



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29 Jun 2016, 10:42 am

naturalplastic wrote:
I used to wonder that too.

What other way of "having" a cake is there, but to eat it?

But I guess it probably comes from weddings.

Some folks think their wedding cake is so beautiful to look at, and admire, that they dont wanna eat it. Want to preserve it forever as a keepsake.

Hense the dilemma of whether to eat it, or keep it to look at.
I guess in that context, you can't have it both ways makes more sense.



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29 Jun 2016, 12:34 pm

Noca wrote:
ToughDiamond wrote:
Apparently it's not just ASDers who find this particular proverb confusing:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Have_one' ... eat_it_too

I think the Hungarian version is clearer: "It is impossible to ride two horses with one butt." They mean simultaneously of course. But I think if the horses were very well-trained and the rider was very skilled, and had a very wide butt, it might be possible, for a moment or two.

That is a far better analogy than using cakes.

Yes my respect for Hungary went up when I saw it. When I finally get my turn to run the English-speaking world, I hope to make a lot of improvements like that to the clarity of the language. :wink:



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29 Jun 2016, 1:57 pm

The Hungarian one makes sense.

This idiom does not. Because a Cake is the Most Compromising. You don't eat a whole cake. You cut it into pieces and eat slices. So wouldn't a cake be the symbol and analogy of compromise? Not why you cannot compromise?



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29 Jun 2016, 2:46 pm

A cake isn't necessarily that big. In my family it certainly was, but apparently a cake can be much smaller. My family referred to such small cakes as "buns," so their nomenclature was internally consistent and functional. Anyway, the cake referred to in the idiom is presumably more or less mouth-sized, so one would be less likely to want to share it.



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29 Jun 2016, 2:56 pm

ToughDiamond wrote:
A cake isn't necessarily that big. In my family it certainly was, but apparently a cake can be much smaller. My family referred to such small cakes as "buns," so their nomenclature was internally consistent and functional. Anyway, the cake referred to in the idiom is presumably more or less mouth-sized, so one would be less likely to want to share it.


But that's not a cake. That's like a cupcake man.