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Jamesbell
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16 Jul 2016, 7:13 am

Hi,am recently engaged and my fiancee has an 25 year old son with autism, thst verbal and sometimes physical abusive. How can we as a team help solve this problem without having him on all types of mind altering drugs?



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16 Jul 2016, 8:28 am

Welcome, James!

Can you give us a little more information? Is your soon-to-be stepson able to communicate in a way where people can understand him? Were you saying in your post that he is not verbal? If this is the case, he should have his own communication system that he is using (whether or not anyone else gets it is another matter).

Physical abuse from an autistic person can come from many sources. 1) the autistic person could be engaging in domestic abuse just like any other person could. That's not often the case, so let's focus on the two more likely causes- 2) the autistic person could be misunderstood with his/her attempts to communicate and then results to physical outbursts as a desperate form of communication, 3) the autistic person is actually stimming- so something in his/her environment (physical environment, social, emotional, whatever) is extremely distressing for him/her, and he/she is using the stimming behavior, which could be self-harm or something like hitting a wall, to drive away the distressing stimuli and let him/her focus in on just that action, which will in turn soothe the autistic person.

I'm sure there are other reasons that I'm not thinking of.

Since you're new here I'll tell you who I am so you know where my advice is coming from. I am a sociologist who studies autistic adults, primarily with a focus on working autistic adults. But I have side interests in autistic identity and nonverbal people. I am married to an autistic man, I grew up with an autistic little brother, and I have many autistic friends, family, and mentors. I am not autistic myself.

Please keep asking questions. It's great that you came here. It shows wonderful foresight and sensitivity.



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16 Jul 2016, 8:42 am

Having a solid, loving home is going to go a long way towards helping him stop these behaviors. Being a role model of how to deal with all those male hormones and macho messages should go far.

You're going to have to give him some time to adjust to the new living situation, no matter how affected by autism he is - we all have a longer than average adjustment time for new living situations. Take what you think is reasonable and triple it.

You didn't make it clear what level of need your step son is at. If he's able to communicate with words at all, and if he uses words, but isn't able to speak to his true needs with them. That will have a lot to do with what kinds of things will help you create a safe home environment for everyone.

There are behavior modification techniques you can use. But they should only be used after you establish a trusting relationship and after the impact of any moves has settled down. Trying to therapise an autistic person who is reeling from a change is not going to be helpful. In the beginning, your job is just to help him self-soothe his nervous system and gain his trust that you aren't going away, and that you aren't going to hurt him or his mother.



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16 Jul 2016, 9:01 am

SocOfAutism wrote:
...the autistic person could be misunderstood with his/her attempts to communicate and then results to physical outbursts as a desperate form of communication....

This would be my guess. I have read about non-verbal autists who were angry at themselves and others before finding the calm of being able to communicate.


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16 Jul 2016, 10:06 am

Sorry for such little information. My stepson is on the high functioning spectrum to date ,but that was not always the case. He was non verb up until the age of 5.Currently he attends college for culinary arts. But there are things that are still present that worries both his mom,and I. Things like the abuse verb and physical.Also wearing the same clothes for literally two weeks straight and get aggressive when it's brought to his attention. He also has horrible eating habits like drinking pancake syrup, and eating dry Ramen noodles. When he cant get his way, he throws a tantrum and starts to break stuff in the house(all except his own). I constantly see the fight that my fiancée has with her son that she loves so much,and I would like nothing more than to assist her in getting help for her and my soon to be son.



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16 Jul 2016, 10:23 am

Ah okay.

A lot of the people here had communication delays. It's maybe not "PC" to say that some things are normal with autism, but to me not talking in early childhood is pretty normal.

Since he is attending college and, I assume, still living at home? And then you are marrying his mom, he's dealing with a lot of major stress right now. What Somanyspoons said still applies here. He will be just trying to cope for awhile and all you can do is help him cope.

But some of these long term issues you're talking about may be helped with some modifications. The syrup and ramen noodles thing you could maybe let go. I would think that was weird if I saw someone doing that, but I'm sure lots of us eat and drink worse things every day. If he can take a vitamin supplement every day and just be sure to brush his teeth, no harm done. I would NOT criticize him about things that you can stand to let go. And I would even apologize to him for criticizing in the past. That can go a long way toward him listening to you guys when it really matters.

The clothes thing...does he have a range of clothes that are all well-worn in and similar to each other? I would make sure that he has a selection. Maybe even buy used clothes instead of new ones. Get creative with textures. Like try silky shirts, rough ones, soft ones, starchy ones- mix it up to help figure out what feels comfortable for him. If all else fails, I would get the clothes washed every few days and just leave him alone about it.

I see the worst problem that he is not responding to you guys when you try to talk to him. Maybe you could start asking him to tell you his opinions and what things are like for him. Maybe not get too heavy on asking him to describe his "feelings." That's a tall order for many aspies and auties. Their feelings are unique and difficult to describe, so it's very stressful for them to try. Using different words to ask for his "point of view" or his "experiences" may work better. If you put in some time just listening to him, he may come around and listen to you in return. Then you could try to put in some structure where you guys can help him with what he wants and needs. In exchange, you can ask him to work to control himself and be kinder to you guys.



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16 Jul 2016, 1:46 pm

Jamesbell wrote:
Sorry for such little information. My stepson is on the high functioning spectrum to date ,but that was not always the case. He was non verb up until the age of 5.Currently he attends college for culinary arts. But there are things that are still present that worries both his mom,and I. Things like the abuse verb and physical.Also wearing the same clothes for literally two weeks straight and get aggressive when it's brought to his attention. He also has horrible eating habits like drinking pancake syrup, and eating dry Ramen noodles. When he cant get his way, he throws a tantrum and starts to break stuff in the house(all except his own). I constantly see the fight that my fiancée has with her son that she loves so much,and I would like nothing more than to assist her in getting help for her and my soon to be son.


OK. That's more to go on.

His history of not being verbal until 5 is irrelevant. We all develop at different rates. That was his. I'm glad he's found a way to use words to communicate. It makes life easier in a lot of ways.

As a step Dad, you have two priorities - separate what matters from what is none of your business, and create a safe and loving home for your mixed family.

That stuff about your son's cloths and the food he eats - that's largely none of your business. Its true that people are going to respond to him poorly if he gets all smelly. And its also true that the food you eat will impact your mood. But its not hurting you directly. This is his body and his autonomy. Get yourself out of it. There is only pain down that road.

My personal strategy with clothing is to find something that works for most of my activities and buy 3 three pairs. One for wearing, one for washing, and one to be worn tomorrow. Then I just wear that to death until I decide I'm ready for something new. That way, I stay clean and I don't have to think about cloths so much. As a 41 year old, I'm WAY more aware of how odor affects how other people respond to me than I was as a 25 year old. If the clothing issue isn't about simplicity for him, but autonomy, its an issue you need to let go. He actually does have the right to be smelly if he wants to. If that's the only way he has to declare his adulthood, its a really bad idea to get in the way of it.

My advice would be to apologize to him for nagging him on these things and acknowledge that its his choice. I would also offer to buy him clothing or help him in other ways if he decides on his own that he would like to clean up his act. Also, with the food. Young men eat crap. The usually get away with it until they are 30 or so and then the s**t hits the fan with their health. Cooking healthy meals and eating them yourself will set a good example. Inviting him to join you will keep the door open should he decide he wants to eat better.

Now, on the other hand, the breaking things and yelling at you are not acceptable. He's a grown man and he is legally responsible for his actions. Not holding him accountable is infantalizing. It's at odds with his natural needs to be an autonomous man.

Autistic people are going to have meltdowns, no matter how old they are. Part of our growing up means that we have to learn how to deal with them. I'm 41 years old and I have a weighted blanket. I have teas and a few meds I take on VERY rare occation to calm myself down. I have Star Trek, which I watch obsessively when I need soothing. Your step son needs a list like this. Occupational Therapists specialize in helping people develop these these lists. You can hire one to consult with an adult, or you can read books/blogs on the matter. Just make sure your don't hire a kid's OT and put him in a kid's OT gym. That's humiliating.

Its really important for you to recognize when your step son is in a meltdown and not to get in the way of his self-soothing. When we are in meltdown, our higher brains turn off. We do not have logic. We do not have the ability to process your "talking it out" with us. We just need to calm down and listening to a new well-intentioned step parent ain't gonna help. Leave him be for a set amount of time. Make sure you ALWAYS bring the subject back up later, when he's able to listen. If he starts to ramp up every time you speak to him, no matter how much cool down time you've given him, he needs professional help from a therapist. If this is the case, its probably true that he will not be able to stay in your house. If you don't know how to broach the subject with him later, you need help from a family therapist. (And I do mean YOU need the help. You should be seeing the therapist.)

The thing is, as a 25 year old, he's at the age where young people move out. I understand that with his challenges, that's going to be difficult for him. A lot of us can't handle school and a job at the same time. Money is a big issue. But having a 25 year old man in your home is asking for fights. You can't keep treating him like a little boy. He's not yours to "raise" anymore. With the right moves, you might become a trusted confidant. But you'll never be able to parent him like you would have 20 years ago.



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17 Jul 2016, 4:12 am

I am 25 and on the high functioning spectrum and unable to form lasting relationships, however the guy described just sounds like a spoiled brat getting away with it. I'd tell him to go live in his own place. He'd be wanting to come back. But he would only be allowed back if he improves his hygiene and stops breaking stuff. Get a punching bag as an alternative. Just because someone is autistic doesnt excuse bad behavior. If he was low functioning the approach would be different. Dont let the guy terrorize you.