Mental and Verbal Echolalia and Palilalia?

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07 Feb 2008, 11:06 pm

Anyone here care to give examples of their experiences with these two things? Especially with the more subtle form of echolalia, not like what is given as example by Wiki.



I often have discussions that happened earlier, even years ago, in my head. Would this be a form of echolalia?

If I understand correctly, saying things mentally before saying them outloud is a form of palilalia? No?


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07 Feb 2008, 11:47 pm

or just rehearsing...;) Sometimes I need to frame things so they come out right.



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08 Feb 2008, 1:42 am

Yes I will repeat what someone just said out of habit to make sure I correctly understand what that person was saying.

I also do this on the telephone when taking messages at times to make sure I get the correct telephone number. I consciously do this and know that I am doing it to make sure I understood the caller correctly. I am not sure though whether this is considered "echolalia"


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08 Feb 2008, 1:53 am

Echolalia isn't about making sure you were correct or anything. It's sorta like something that you're registering something a little slower than you're meant to and the words go through your head after they're spoken, and you sometimes say them by mistake. Or at least that's what I think about spoken echolalia. I know I used to have mental echolalia, and things people said would repeat, like just the end of their last sentence in my head. Me brother has spoken echolalia, so it's probably the same thing, just verbalised. Sort of just like stimming, you don't really realise you're doing it until you're halfway through or it's already over.

At least in mine/my brother's case that is.

Palilalia is pretty mush the same too I think. It's happened a few times but extremely rarely for me.

As for conversations from a long while ago going through your head, I can't be entirely sure but I don't think that's Echolalia myself.



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08 Feb 2008, 2:23 am

I have verbal echolalia now and again; I repeat words, sayings and phrases I like in the presence of people; I don't know I'm doing it until I realize I did it awhile later. I never knew I did it before being aware of what echolalia is and its association with ASDs.

It's sometimes evident in my writing; I make a point, and then reiterate it again in the next sentence/paragraph in the same words.



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08 Feb 2008, 2:35 am

Danielismyname wrote:
I have verbal echolalia now and again; I repeat words, sayings and phrases I like in the presence of people; I don't know I'm doing it until I realize I did it awhile later. I never knew I did it before being aware of what echolalia is and its association with ASDs.

It's sometimes evident in my writing; I make a point, and then reiterate it again in the next sentence/paragraph in the same words.
I've done that when I write, but extremely rarely. Btu I guess that's right that you don't really notice it's happening until afterward.



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08 Feb 2008, 3:49 am

I experience echolalia often. It even happened tonight during a conversation I had with someone.
Basically what happens is that when I'm having a conversation with someone, I'll involuntarily repeat the last sentence or the last phrase that the person just said. The repetition of a sentence/phrase might happen only once during the entire length of the conversation. Or it might happen two or three times during the conversation. But normally for me, it only happens once during the conversation (at any point in the conversation). And, the repetition itself isn't done out loud. Instead, it's done in a softer tone of my voice, almost like a mumble. For example:

ME: "Hi"
THEM: "Hi, how are you?"
ME: "Good, and you?"
THEM: "Good, what have you been up to?"
ME (in a softer-sounding voice): "Good, what have you been up to?"
I repeated what the person just said.

And palilia is basically the same thing as echolalia, except that you repeat a word, a phrase, or sentence that you yourself just said. I do this a lot as well.

Sometimes I also involuntarily repeat a word, a phrase, or a sentence when I'm alone somewhere simply because I like the way it sounds. I'm not sure if that's echolalia also. But it seems like a form of echolalia.



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08 Feb 2008, 6:23 am

I am not sure whether it is echolalia or not, but I get that too. It might just be an aspie thing. Palilalia is completely different, I should know because I have Tourette syndrome. It basically means that you either say or repeat in your head a whole or part of a word several times, sometimes mutating it from the original words. Here is one which kept me awake half the night after watching the news featuring Barek Obama:

(in my head): Barek Obama... Obama... Obama (gets faster) ObamaObamaObama Ohbumma oh bummer oh bummer!

Drives me mad!


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08 Feb 2008, 7:11 am

I once got the name 'Engelburt Humperdink' stuck in my head and could not stop repeating it, and it would keep popping back in my head and annoying the hell out of me. I find the name absolutely repulsive, and my colour>grapheme synaesthesia means that it's pooey greeny brown. Yuck! It'll probably be stuck in my head all day now.



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08 Feb 2008, 8:04 am

If I hear a word that's weird or interesting in any way, I tend to have it running through my head for a while, but I never say it out loud.



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08 Feb 2008, 8:12 am

Spiral153 wrote:
Sometimes I also involuntarily repeat a word, a phrase, or a sentence when I'm alone somewhere simply because I like the way it sounds. I'm not sure if that's echolalia also. But it seems like a form of echolalia.


I do this too, it's echolalia; note how those lower down on the spectrum repeat things they like in regular interaction (for some that's all they can do)? Doing that by yourself is the same thing; I say phrases I like over and over in my head, and I just recently realized I say them aloud (I never knew I spoke out aloud when I'm by myself). I do it sometimes when I'm comfortable with a person, i.e., my mother. I just utter a string of words that I've heard in fictional media that I so happen to like over and over again.

And thanks for pointing out what palilia is: I do that far more in interacting with people when I'm conversing to them out there, and I'm not comfortable with them.

E: you'll notice that I used palilia in the first paragraph without even realizing it.



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08 Feb 2008, 8:31 am

Rehearsing and replaying.


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08 Feb 2008, 12:39 pm

googlewhack wrote:
I once got the name 'Engelburt Humperdink' stuck in my head and could not stop repeating it, and it would keep popping back in my head and annoying the hell out of me. I find the name absolutely repulsive, and my colour>grapheme synaesthesia means that it's pooey greeny brown. Yuck! It'll probably be stuck in my head all day now.


ARRRRRGH!! ! now you've infected me too! :twisted:

i remember seeing johnny ball on tv when i was little, one of the think-of-a-number programmes, where he claimed that Englebert Humperdinck backwards was "Bertledink Trumblebone" ?!?!??!... ever since then i have spent countless hours writing out englebert humperdinck backwards trying to see how on earth johnny ball got bertedink trumbebone.... johnny ball was my god, theres no way he could possibly be wrong :lol:



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08 Feb 2008, 1:45 pm

I do have mental echolalia, and ocasionally I have verbal echolalia. I'm having this more often lately (or it may be because I'm more aware of it...)



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08 Feb 2008, 3:28 pm

I often repeat phrases, quotes, and sayings I like over and over again.


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08 Feb 2008, 4:09 pm

I repeat things that people say to clarify what it is that they said, and to stall while I think of my response.

Also, sometimes, I replay past events in my head. Sometimes this includes saying the things that were said in a discussion out loud. I tend to do it the most with things that I said or things that someone else said that were very significant to the events. Like when I say something very funny, or when someone says something very rude, or when someone says something that starts a fight or when someone says something w/ a lot of emotion. I am almost always alone when I do this, but sometimes I do it when I forget that I'm not alone and someone else is nearby. I think it is just a way of entertaining myself when I am bored.