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02 Nov 2016, 9:42 am

I'm curious as to what people on the high functioning end of the spectrum think about power per se and power games or power politics. Would an aspie want power for the same reasons an NT would? To influence and/or control?

Does wielding power require social prowess or could it be managed with a limited sense of social intuition?

What do you think?


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02 Nov 2016, 10:20 am

From what I've observed, "power" is attained by having something someone wants. The problem is that most who acquire power do so via manipulation of others/circumstances. People with AS (even high-functioning) have an issue with this. You have to be good at reading what someone wants and how far you can push them.

It's more complicated than that, but it's the basics. Ultimately people want power for personal reasons. Even if your reason is altruistic, it's still your personal reason for wanting power.



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02 Nov 2016, 11:08 am

Well for me my interest in power is instrumental. I'm interested in power when it is a means of advancing a worthy purpose or cause, for something which I belief is should be advanced. I'm not into Power for the sake of controlling others.



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02 Nov 2016, 11:14 am

zer0netgain wrote:
From what I've observed, "power" is attained by having something someone wants. The problem is that most who acquire power do so via manipulation of others/circumstances. People with AS (even high-functioning) have an issue with this. You have to be good at reading what someone wants and how far you can push them.

It's more complicated than that, but it's the basics. Ultimately people want power for personal reasons. Even if your reason is altruistic, it's still your personal reason for wanting power.


I'm not sure sure that in the case of soft power it's about having what someone wants, rather it's about influence, persuasion, or "selling" a dream.


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02 Nov 2016, 11:18 am

It is possible that an aspie might also be a high mach. In that case, yes such a person would be thinking about such things. And might fit a more modern definition of the term autistic psychopath (contrary to more original definition of doctor Aspergers.).



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02 Nov 2016, 11:39 am

I am speaking impartially, as I am not participating, in this election.

A Youtube video shows a Hillary supporter wearing a black T-shirt, with her head surrounded in sunbeams, intended to resemble one of Chariman Mao's propaganda posters.

He is attributed to have said, those with an incorrect political view have no soul, and that social experiment is the soul of the Party.

Said experiments involved the development of grains, considered to be pseudo scientific. They were crowded together, as this would force cooperation, and were abused, as this would force evolution. (Lysenkoism.) Higher estimates reported that 70 million died of starvation.

I was raised in a Christian, fundamentalist, personality cult. They didn't remind me of Reagan or Trump, but of Mao.

In general, there was no such thing as private property; it belonged to the administrators.

Social experiment came into play, because there was always some project.

The little people paid-up, for the privilege of their participation. Many were burnt-out and destitute, but expected to maintain appearances of success, at all costs.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liminality
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Noble_lie

I feel that this a main character trait of NT people -- to need some mythos, goal, or monolythic project. And, as I see that notorious eye, in the pyramid, the building is forever incomplete. It will always be a work in progress. In Christianity, as I read about a Beelzebub, or Lord of the Flies, or god of forces, I get the impression of something abuzz. Movement for the sake movement, to keep people preoccupied.

When soft power is discussed, I consider the hovercraft actually sitting n a bag of air) or air hockey. It is blustering, hot air, which keeps most people manipulable, under the light pressure of a finger tip. Even the entire ship of state, which should normally be a crushing weight, might be moved around with a fan.

When I heard the Rothschild heiress, discussing money, not one commodity, nor number was named, specifically. She said they favored the unrestrictive *movement of goods and services, which, again, reminded me of liminality, in other words, just keeping the ball rolling.

So, if I was to apply this kind of logic to either respective candidate, Trump is regarded as a negotiator, and Hillary something of a change agent. They are using different tactics, but the tldr is to keep things astir.



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02 Nov 2016, 12:05 pm

I wouldn't want power, that will get lot of people mad at you and blaming problems on you and making more enemies. Look at Hillary and Obama and Bush and everyone else who has ever been president or has ran for president or as worked as a governor of a state. There has always been hate and criticism about pretty much everyone who was in power and not everyone is going to agree so therefore they will not like the person and will see them as bad or because people expect they can fix every problem and be a god and you better not make any mistakes. I don't want to deal with any of that. I would rather not be known than be known. To me it's like social suicide.


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02 Nov 2016, 12:22 pm

I'd rather have freedom than power. I'm too eccentric to be in power of any type, anyways.


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02 Nov 2016, 12:35 pm

Personally, I would hate having power.

I'm very much into individual freedom and hate the idea of 'management'. I really dislike being managed, so the last thing I would want is to have to manage other people whilst in any position of power.

Power also bring attention, and I thrive on the simple things in life and to be left in peace. :P



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02 Nov 2016, 12:57 pm

Sigbold wrote:
It is possible that an aspie might also be a high mach. In that case, yes such a person would be thinking about such things. And might fit a more modern definition of the term autistic psychopath (contrary to more original definition of doctor Aspergers.).



Yes, in my case, I know I can be quite Machiavellian at times a trait that has gotten me into trouble in the past, and has also saved me. I do think about such things...a lot. :lol: Not for myself, though. I'm mostly interested in the mechanics of power especially non-coercive soft power, which, as I mentioned earlier, is more about influence and persuasion. Propaganda does not infringe upon personal freedoms even if it seeks to direct people's actions to a certain effect.

(I'm not a psychopath, though. I don't know if I am on the spectrum.)


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02 Nov 2016, 1:06 pm

ArielsSong wrote:
Personally, I would hate having power.

I'm very much into individual freedom and hate the idea of 'management'. I really dislike being managed, so the last thing I would want is to have to manage other people whilst in any position of power.

Power also bring attention, and I thrive on the simple things in life and to be left in peace. :P


Does the responsibility that comes with a position of power also put you off? Micromanaging people requires filling other people's time with tasks that they might not otherwise choose to do, but needs to be done. If things go awry then the blame is on the manager.

Being left in peace as in away from the public eye? Ironically powerful figures such as high profile politicians are powerless to stop that...


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02 Nov 2016, 1:09 pm

In my view that's a human thing not an aspie or NT thing. Every aspie is different so we will all have different personalities, no doubt some aspies don't care about controlling others at all and others are very power hungry just like regular people. There is no correlation between the two



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02 Nov 2016, 1:19 pm

I have studied mental Health and Addictions for 3 decades.

Power and Control can be more addicting than street drugs.

Street drugs or OTC can be taken to give the illusion of power or a solution.

I rebelled at power in my youth.
These days I have folks see my position somewhat poweful
When I started I would often ask myself, what would ____do.
The blank was one of my mentors.
It feels strange (no not Doctor Strange) when people ask me important questions.

After work I nap to decompress
Part of me says take more time before napping to talk with my wife. But reality finds the nap makes for a better evening.

Me- just another "Reader and Righter"


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02 Nov 2016, 1:39 pm

drlaugh wrote:
I have studied mental Health and Addictions for 3 decades.

Power and Control can be more addicting than street drugs.

Street drugs or OTC can be taken to give the illusion of power or a solution.

I rebelled at power in my youth.
These days I have folks see my position somewhat poweful
When I started I would often ask myself, what would ____do.
The blank was one of my mentors.
It feels strange (no not Doctor Strange) when people ask me important questions.

After work I nap to decompress
Part of me says take more time before napping to talk with my wife. But reality finds the nap makes for a better evening.

Me- just another "Reader and Righter"


Are you suggesting that feelings of being in power activate the ventral tegmental area and nucleus accumbens?


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02 Nov 2016, 1:43 pm

Starfoxx wrote:
In my view that's a human thing not an aspie or NT thing. Every aspie is different so we will all have different personalities, no doubt some aspies don't care about controlling others at all and others are very power hungry just like regular people. There is no correlation between the two


I'd imagine that a someone who is socially inept might want more power to counter feelings of powerlessness that come with interacting with other people. I don't know, maybe it's just me.


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02 Nov 2016, 2:00 pm

Yes

How do you see this?

The brain is a wonderful thing.
In the 70's I had a professor that talked about a new species. Not Mutants but MachaSapiens
Machines meet man kind.
Pogo said
We have met the enemy and it us us.


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