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30 Nov 2016, 8:09 pm

...be for having all of the supposed strengths autism gives with all of the strengths of a neurotypical, while having neither of their weaknesses? I concede savantism is possible with autism, I am skeptical of the idea of it being a gift. But for those who do believe it is supposedly not a bad thing or a disease, why not be in favor of having all the strengths of an autistic person and neurotypical person while having neither of their weaknesses if it were possible?


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30 Nov 2016, 8:12 pm

Maybe because no one can have all the benefits of both? For example, a person can't have both autistic attention to detail and NT ability to see the big picture; they are mutually exclusive. Either someone has one or the other or is just average with both skills.



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30 Nov 2016, 8:13 pm

There are advantages, at times, with having an autistic mindset.

I really believe, without somewhat of an autistic mindset as an influence, that the Internet as we know it today wouldn't have been possible.

Very frequently, autism could be quite a severe disorder, it must be stated.

But autism is not, I believe, something which is unequivocally negative.



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30 Nov 2016, 8:14 pm

starkid wrote:
Maybe because no one can have all the benefits of both? For example, a person can't have both autistic attention to detail and NT ability to see the big picture; they are mutually exclusive. Either someone has one or the other or is just average with both skills.


Say they invent a brain chip that allows a person to switch between the two at will or use one eye for detail and another for the big picture with no side effects. Why not?


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I still hold many of my views, but I will tone down my anger and stop being so bigoted and judgmental. I can't possibly know how you see things and will stop thinking I know everything you all think.

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30 Nov 2016, 8:15 pm

kraftiekortie wrote:
There are advantages, at times, with having an autistic mindset.

I really believe, without somewhat of an autistic mindset as an influence, that the Internet as we know it today wouldn't have been possible.

Very frequently, autism could be quite a severe disorder, it must be stated.

But autism is not, I believe, something which is unequivocally negative.


There are people with the benefits of autism from having the genes, yet do not develop fullblown autism due to the dna methylation in the brain cells not being identical. Often the parents of autistic children.


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30 Nov 2016, 8:21 pm

johnnyh wrote:
Say they invent a brain chip that allows a person to switch between the two at will or use one eye for detail and another for the big picture with no side effects. Why not?


Well a fundamental thing about people being proud of autism/believing that it's a gift is that they see autism as who they are, and they want to be themselves. If people got brain chips, they wouldn't be themselves anymore: they would be cyborgs.

And if they are born with autistic attention to detail, they don't have that NT big-picture perspective available in their brain to switch to. The brain chip would be like a switch that isn't connected to a circuit.



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30 Nov 2016, 10:05 pm

starkid wrote:
johnnyh wrote:
Say they invent a brain chip that allows a person to switch between the two at will or use one eye for detail and another for the big picture with no side effects. Why not?


Well a fundamental thing about people being proud of autism/believing that it's a gift is that they see autism as who they are, and they want to be themselves. If people got brain chips, they wouldn't be themselves anymore: they would be cyborgs.

And if they are born with autistic attention to detail, they don't have that NT big-picture perspective available in their brain to switch to. The brain chip would be like a switch that isn't connected to a circuit.


So it is about identity! Would you say that is the root of it all?


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-Johnnyh


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30 Nov 2016, 11:36 pm

johnnyh wrote:

So it is about identity! Would you say that is the root of it all?


I guess. I'm not one of them and I don't want to speak for them, I just know some of the things they write about.



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01 Dec 2016, 2:54 am

Some blind people have the "gift" of heightened hearing. Some paraplegic people have the "gift" of extra upper body strength. The "gift" disabled people have, isn't worth having the disability that "gifted" them.



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01 Dec 2016, 3:09 am

I know a girl at my school. She is 14 but is doing the first year of studies three years above her level. She is autistic and frequently talks about how her iq is in the top 1 percentile. She is a Maths savant but is fairly versatile in all subjects. I think this is a good example of autism not being a massive disability. She came into this world with autism and it was like a giant's head she was lifted because of it.



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01 Dec 2016, 3:21 am

johnnyh wrote:
Say they invent a brain chip that allows a person to switch between the two at will or use one eye for detail and another for the big picture with no side effects. Why not?


I would be interested to be NT for a few months or so just to have a better understanding. I would like to be a women for a few months for the same reason.


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01 Dec 2016, 5:42 am

My Aspergers is very high functioning. I could read into body language if I wanted, but it's such a waste of my time. All that insinuation and dancing around the truth. I don't have time to waste on that. I've bigger projects to achieve before my time is up.
To me most NT's are middle class humans, basically talking animals.
There are some that will actually achieve great things, however many have (unsurprisingly) likely been slightly on the spectrum.