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01 Jan 2017, 12:27 pm

Why do people always use the word "neurotypical" to refer to someone who is not on the autism spectrum? To me, neurotypical means someone who is neurologically typical, that is, they do not have any neurological differences such as ADHD, autism, Tourette's, or schizophrenia. "Allistic" is what should be used, which actually means non-autistic. Anyone who is neurotypical is also allistic, but someone who has ADHD and not autism is allistic, but not neurotypical.



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01 Jan 2017, 12:53 pm

saxgeek wrote:
Why do people always use the word "neurotypical" to refer to someone who is not on the autism spectrum? To me, neurotypical means someone who is neurologically typical, that is, they do not have any neurological differences such as ADHD, autism, Tourette's, or schizophrenia. "Allistic" is what should be used, which actually means non-autistic. Anyone who is neurotypical is also allistic, but someone who has ADHD and not autism is allistic, but not neurotypical.


I use the term neurotypical the same way you do. I hate it when people on the spectrum refer neurotypical as 99% of the population.

I know I use "Aspies" and "NTs" in my posts but by that I'm excluding other neurologies, I'm just literally talking about spectrum folk and neuro-typical folk, just like if I was talking about UK folk and American folk.


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01 Jan 2017, 6:24 pm

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01 Jan 2017, 6:54 pm

To me, 'non-autistic' seems the most accurate term for people who aren't autistic. Though I suppose that's exactly what 'allistic' means, so there you go!

All of these terms are problematic, if you take them too literally. There are autistics who lack self-awareness, and allistics who are self-obsessed, so if we want to be completely accurate about it, we need new labels altogether.

I choose to not take any of them literally, so if people say 'NT' or 'allistic', I know what they mean.



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01 Jan 2017, 6:56 pm

AFAIK, the term "allistic" came about on Tumblr because someone found the term "neurotypical" ableist due to implying that autistic people weren't "typical". One of the reasons I prefer "NT" is because I find the Tumblr autism community quite toxic. I could spend all day ranting about it but I won't.


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01 Jan 2017, 7:01 pm

I use it like the OP does. I would say "non-autistic" instead of "allistic" if I have a need for such a word, but I don't think I ever have.

I rarely hear the word "neurotypical" outside of here.


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01 Jan 2017, 7:41 pm

Like some repliers have said, it is best not to take these sorts of things too literally, otherwise you could keep on forever.

I don't find the term neurotypical offensive against Aspies, but I do if neurotypical is used to define a whopping 99% of the population, excluding the 1% that happen to be people on the spectrum only, because why should Aspies/autistics only be singled out and labelled as non-typical. So I can see Tumblr's point there.
BUT by defining neurotypical as a person without neurological disabilities that cause developmental (social or intellectual) delays or other neurological conditions like Schitzephrenia or brain diseases like Dementia, then that makes it sound much more reassuring to be "different".

But don't start asking questions like "but what about phobias like agoraphobia?" because I don't know, just think of it all as a complex thing, without getting bogged down with logic.


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01 Jan 2017, 8:11 pm

So what, we're not a part of "all" now? You are either "aut"istic or "all"istic?

Yes, I'm being tongue in cheek. But if you desire to examine words for abilist roots, the term "allistic" would be WAY more abilist than neurotypical. The root "typical" necessarily implies that other people are not typical. There are two groups. But allistic's root - all - means that this encompasses everyone and it doesn't. It doesn't include me. All is a root that erases us.



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01 Jan 2017, 9:04 pm

EclecticWarrior wrote:
AFAIK, the term "allistic" came about on Tumblr because someone found the term "neurotypical" ableist due to implying that autistic people weren't "typical". One of the reasons I prefer "NT" is because I find the Tumblr autism community quite toxic. I could spend all day ranting about it but I won't.

Nothing to do with Tumblr. The term dates back to at least 2003, whereas tumblr was founded in 2007 and didn't pick up an "autism community" until much later. Earlier uses I could find seemed to be using it to mean "relating to alloys".

Tumblr is as good as the people you follow. If you find someone to be toxic then just unfollow them. You can build a community of sensible users that way.



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01 Jan 2017, 9:33 pm

When people say neurotypical they are meaning just that, not "non autistic".



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01 Jan 2017, 11:28 pm

In my personal opinion, neurotypical or NT is an artificial term used to label most of society at large. It's usually used in an 'us versus them' context. Or more specifically in many cases, good vs evil, with the "NT's" being the bad guys.



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02 Jan 2017, 11:54 pm

I like the term allistic too. I have friends who have depression, anxiety, and bipolar disorder. All of them have been able to relate to me strongly due to their illnesses and differences and most certainly are not "neutrotypical." I don't think that we on the spectrum are as alone as many think.


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03 Jan 2017, 5:13 am

I have a friend with Fragile-X, and while she doesn't have AS with it, she still shares some autistic traits. She finds social situations hard, she doesn't have many friends, she doesn't like dogs that bark loud, she struggles with finding a job, she used to flap her hands a lot when she was little, and she has trouble reading emotions in other people. I wouldn't say she's neurotypical.

I have a neighbour who has mental retardation, but not autism. She is 23 but has the mind of a 2-year-old. She requires 24-hour care, needs to be assisted with showering and dressing, and wears diapers. She cannot talk and lacks self-awareness, all she can do is cry or laugh. Compared to her, I feel neurotypical.

I know a 26-year-old boy with Down's Syndrome. He has very low IQ and only works 2 days a week packing boxes in a store room. He doesn't have AS with it but he can be very naive, and often takes things literally too. He has a few friends but they all have disabilities too. He can act a bit immature at home, so his mum told me.

See, these people may not be on the spectrum but they still have their own challenges that make them "different" from the norm.


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