Exploring My Adult Autism: "Right" and "Not Right"

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06 Jan 2017, 9:03 am

I'm 56 years old and only recently discovered I was ASD. It explains so much about my life that previously made no sense! And I'm still learning.

Last night I had a major realization. My 2-year-old is also autistic. When something doesn't go the way it usually does, he sees that as "not right" and has a temper tantrum. If we run out of milk for breakfast, if he doesn't get his nap on time, if he can't find the toy he wants... or sometimes we have no idea what it is he has a problem with. And I realized that especially as a child I had the same worldview. Something was either "right" or "not right." "Not right" was not okay and I had frequent temper tantrums that I couldn't explain. It was just "not right."

I'm wondering if there are better words to express this? I've been trying to explain this to my neurotypical wife, and I think she gets it, especially when I put it in terms of how my toddler acts, but I'd hate to try to explain it to anyone who knows me less well!

Looking back, I experienced this as an environment of changing rules so that I never knew what I was supposed to do, and a distinct feeling of injustice. I suspect now that it was just normal changing circumstances in day-to-day life.

I drank and did drugs for ten years, and when I was loaded "not right" didn't matter much. I was generally a happy drunk.

After I got sober, I seemed to be more tolerant of "not right." It made me good at my job because I wanted to make sure everything *was* right. But I lived in Los Angeles during the 1992 riots, and that was clearly and disturbingly "not right." I went into depression and lost my employment and my first marriage. I spent some time volunteering in Sri Lanka, and their civil war was "not right." I spent a year studying it in college and ended up helping a group bring about a six-year cease-fire. So as an adult, this feeling of "not right" has had some positive effect.

As I said, I'm wondering if there is a better way to express this. Do others experience this? How do you describe it?



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06 Jan 2017, 9:20 am

How about the phrase "unexpected consequences"? It is neutral, and yields itself well to good and bad outcomes. :wink:


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06 Jan 2017, 10:31 am

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When something doesn't go the way it usually does, he sees that as "not right"...sometimes we have no idea what it is he has a problem with.

He has a problem with something being "not right", but I do understand what you mean there.

Tell him you understand there are times when things are "not right" and that you want to know about all of them...and then begin helping him know how to process the hard facts that things will not always be "right" and that he must nevertheless learn to act rightly -- teach him what to actually do -- even during those times.


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06 Jan 2017, 11:15 am

In my mind, they are not neutral. Things are not they way they are supposed to be, and it's distressing. I imagine my toddler feels the same. Unfortunately he can't communicate at that level yet. At this point, "not right" = meltdown. As it was for me even into adolescence.


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06 Jan 2017, 11:21 am

mitchmaitree wrote:
I'm 56 years old and only recently discovered I was ASD. It explains so much about my life that previously made no sense! And I'm still learning.

Last night I had a major realization. My 2-year-old is also autistic. When something doesn't go the way it usually does, he sees that as "not right" and has a temper tantrum. If we run out of milk for breakfast, if he doesn't get his nap on time, if he can't find the toy he wants... or sometimes we have no idea what it is he has a problem with. And I realized that especially as a child I had the same worldview. Something was either "right" or "not right." "Not right" was not okay and I had frequent temper tantrums that I couldn't explain. It was just "not right."

I'm wondering if there are better words to express this? I've been trying to explain this to my neurotypical wife, and I think she gets it, especially when I put it in terms of how my toddler acts, but I'd hate to try to explain it to anyone who knows me less well!

Looking back, I experienced this as an environment of changing rules so that I never knew what I was supposed to do, and a distinct feeling of injustice. I suspect now that it was just normal changing circumstances in day-to-day life.

I drank and did drugs for ten years, and when I was loaded "not right" didn't matter much. I was generally a happy drunk.

After I got sober, I seemed to be more tolerant of "not right." It made me good at my job because I wanted to make sure everything *was* right. But I lived in Los Angeles during the 1992 riots, and that was clearly and disturbingly "not right." I went into depression and lost my employment and my first marriage. I spent some time volunteering in Sri Lanka, and their civil war was "not right." I spent a year studying it in college and ended up helping a group bring about a six-year cease-fire. So as an adult, this feeling of "not right" has had some positive effect.

As I said, I'm wondering if there is a better way to express this. Do others experience this? How do you describe it?


What your 'right, 'not right' experiences bring to mind for me are how I experience the world when things don't go to plan. Fot instance, tonight I am cooking salmon for mine and my son's dinner, but if I were to smell, on opening it, that the fish has gone off then I would have to change my plan, For me this would be really 'not right', even though I have other food I can cook and if the food was prematurely bad I could get a refund on it. It just feels horribly wrong when something doesn't follow the plan. I get the same thing when people are late or when the order of service changes in church (I play piano so I know ahead of time what's happening usually, but our minister is sometimes led to change things at the last moment and although I know she does this for good reasons for me it still feels 'not right'.
When things are not how I think they should be or how I expected them to be everything feels 'not right' and my anxiety levels go up exponentially. I see this as tying into two parts of a standard description of ASD - love of routines and difficulties with sudden or unprepared change.

Does this fit with your experiences of 'right' and 'not right'?


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06 Jan 2017, 3:42 pm

When things are not how I think they should be or how I expected them to be everything feels 'not right' and my anxiety levels go up exponentially. I see this as tying into two parts of a standard description of ASD - love of routines and difficulties with sudden or unprepared change.

Does this fit with your experiences of 'right' and 'not right'?[/quote]

Yes, that sounds like it. The strange part is, I have a love-hate relationship with routine, so I don't think of it that way. But yes, that fits. Even though I don't have a daily routine, there are things that "need" to happen correctly. And yeah, changes in plans bother me greatly.


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06 Jan 2017, 6:36 pm

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I'm 56 years old and only recently discovered I was ASD. It explains so much about my life that previously made no sense! And I'm still learning.

Last night I had a major realization. My 2-year-old is also autistic. When something doesn't go the way it usually does, he sees that as "not right" and has a temper tantrum. If we run out of milk for breakfast, if he doesn't get his nap on time, if he can't find the toy he wants... or sometimes we have no idea what it is he has a problem with. And I realized that especially as a child I had the same worldview. Something was either "right" or "not right." "Not right" was not okay and I had frequent temper tantrums that I couldn't explain. It was just "not right."


Your two year old might be autistic as autism tends to run in families. But what you described above is typical behavior for a two year old. You should be looking for things such as is he unusually sensitive to sensory stimuli such as touch, sound, lights, smell. Does he have repetitive behavior to an unusual degree such as hand flapping, going around and around in circles? Does he make eye contact or interact with you or is he in his own world?

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07 Jan 2017, 7:54 am

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Your two year old might be autistic as autism tends to run in families. But what you described above is typical behavior for a two year old. You should be looking for things such as is he unusually sensitive to sensory stimuli such as touch, sound, lights, smell. Does he have repetitive behavior to an unusual degree such as hand flapping, going around and around in circles? Does he make eye contact or interact with you or is he in his own world?

Early Warning Signs of Autism


Yes and yes. Failure to make eye contact and limited interaction. Large vocabulary but delayed communication skills. (At 2-1/2 his communication is that of a typical 1-year-old.) Head banging. Unusual musical talents. Can focus on something that spins for an hour or more. Doesn't like to be cuddled, and often doesn't want to be touched. Doesn't play with peers, doesn't seem to notice they exist. Loves routine and hates change. As the article suggests, he seemed fairly normal until 18 months, when he began to lose vocabulary and the ability to express things he had formerly been able to express, and the head-banging started. But he never liked to be cuddled, would often (and still does) get stuck in word or sound repetition loops, and didn't seem to bond with my wife. He would only sit on our laps if he was facing out toward the room.

He's been diagnosed ASD Level 3 (communication) and level 2 (functionality).

With regular therapy, he's improving in some areas. Our goal is not to make him imitate a neurotypical, but to help him better engage with his family and the world so he can cope with life better than I did.

BTW, we learned that one of the biggest rick factors is ten years or more difference in age between parents. My wife is 20 years younger than me.



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07 Jan 2017, 1:59 pm

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Your two year old might be autistic as autism tends to run in families. But what you described above is typical behavior for a two year old. You should be looking for things such as is he unusually sensitive to sensory stimuli such as touch, sound, lights, smell. Does he have repetitive behavior to an unusual degree such as hand flapping, going around and around in circles? Does he make eye contact or interact with you or is he in his own world?

Early Warning Signs of Autism


Yes and yes. Failure to make eye contact and limited interaction. Large vocabulary but delayed communication skills. (At 2-1/2 his communication is that of a typical 1-year-old.) Head banging. Unusual musical talents. Can focus on something that spins for an hour or more. Doesn't like to be cuddled, and often doesn't want to be touched. Doesn't play with peers, doesn't seem to notice they exist. Loves routine and hates change. As the article suggests, he seemed fairly normal until 18 months, when he began to lose vocabulary and the ability to express things he had formerly been able to express, and the head-banging started. But he never liked to be cuddled, would often (and still does) get stuck in word or sound repetition loops, and didn't seem to bond with my wife. He would only sit on our laps if he was facing out toward the room.

He's been diagnosed ASD Level 3 (communication) and level 2 (functionality).

With regular therapy, he's improving in some areas. Our goal is not to make him imitate a neurotypical, but to help him better engage with his family and the world so he can cope with life better than I did.

BTW, we learned that one of the biggest rick factors is ten years or more difference in age between parents. My wife is 20 years younger than me.


Older fathers in general is a "risk" factor. When you said you did not realize he was autistic I assumed he was not diagnosed. You two have a very good parenting approach, keep up the good work.


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07 Jan 2017, 3:11 pm

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When you said you did not realize he was autistic I assumed he was not diagnosed. You two have a very good parenting approach, keep up the good work.


Sorry, when I said I had a realization, I meant that it was based on watching my autistic son, not that I suddenly realized he was.