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I tried posting this yesterday, but I don't think people really understood what I was getting at, so I'm going to try and reword it. In the DSM-5 criteria for autism spectrum disorder, it states that: symptoms cause clinically significant impairment in social, occupational, or other important areas of current functioning. I know the term "clinically significant" is subjective, but there is still one thing I am confused about. Do all the symptoms have to cause clinically significant impairment, or is it the symptoms all together?
For example, if you had person with social/communication impairments that were deemed clinically significant, and they had 2 out of 4 repetitive behaviors (that weren't "clinically significant"), would that be enough for a diagnosis? I'm asking this because I have seen quite a few arguments about this topic in other threads, and nobody seems to agree on a definite answer. I'm just curious: what do you guys think?
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The answer obviously is YES. Its the totality.
I don't stim at all. Or haven't in decades ( I did have ticks back when I was a kid). But I still was officially diagnosed a couple years ago.
I think that you are overthinking things here.
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The answer obviously is YES. Its the totality.
I don't stim at all. Or haven't in decades ( I did have ticks back when I was a kid). But I still was officially diagnosed a couple years ago.
I think that you are overthinking things here.
Thanks for your reply. I know I could be overthinking things here, but I'm just curious, since the DSM doesn't really answer this. I know stimming is only one out of four repetitive behaviors, though. If you don't have that, but you have at least two other symptoms from that category that are clinically significant, then you would be diagnosed anyway. But if those other two symptoms weren't deemed clinically significant, then would you still receive a diagnosis?
Like I said, it doesn't matter that much to me, but I know people on here that are confused on the subject. I wish that the DSM-5 made this clearer.
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All the symptoms combined have to produce a "clinically significant" overall presentation in a person.
But...in the DSM-V, it specifically states that 2 out of the 4 behaviors within the B section must be present. It doesn't have to be severe, though---just present.
There has to be something from Section A, and something from Section C. It doesn't have to be severe.
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But...in the DSM-V, it specifically states that 2 out of the 4 behaviors within the B section must be present. It doesn't have to be severe, though---just present.
There has to be something from Section A, and something from Section C. It doesn't have to be severe.
Does that imply then, that each behavior that is seen in a person doesn't have to be deemed "clinically significant" for that person to get a diagnosis? I'm just wondering: some people with an ASD that I meet don't seem to have every symptom to a "clinically significant" level.
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Yep. That's what it implies.
The overall presentation of the person, ideally, should be "clinically significant" at least some of the time. It doesn't have to be all of the time.
It doesn't have to be severe. It should be obvious, at least when the person is under stress.
I should add a couple of things:
1. The "clinically significant" behaviors should not have started before about the age of 5 or so. If they started after that, it's probably not autism.
2. A person could be diagnosed with an autism spectrum disorder if he/she exhibited symptoms in babyhood/toddlerhood/childhood, but doesn't really exhibit "significant" symptoms in adulthood. This is an acknowledgement that symptoms of an ASD could return when a person is stressed.
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The overall presentation of the person, ideally, should be "clinically significant" at least some of the time. It doesn't have to be all of the time.
It doesn't have to be severe. It should be obvious, at least when the person is under stress.
Thank you, kraftie. That's really the answer I was looking for. I was just curious since some of the people at my school who have an ASD don't seem to have a lot of repetitive behaviors, and when they do exhibit them, they are pretty mild and aren't really that obvious to the casual observer (these are "high-functioning

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It should also be pointed out that when a person has an "Aspergian" presentation, that person frequently does not appear stereotypically "autistic."
Usually, people who exhibit stereotypically autistic symptoms all the time are severely affected, though this is not universal.
"Stereotypical" autistic behaviors include:
1. Spinning things constantly
2. Something called "perseveration," which comes from the word "persevere." This means they become obsessed with things which most people don't become obsessed with----like a part of a hammer, say.
3. Flapping hands---but a certain type, the type where the entire hand moves, rather than just the fingers.
4. A severe aversion to being touched.
5. A severe reaction to being placed in a situation which departs from a situation which gave them evident pleasure
6. The expression of evident pleasure through various types of vocalizations--squeaks.
7. I should also add: a considerable amount of jumping in place. People with "severe" autism just love to jump.
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Usually, people who exhibit stereotypically autistic symptoms all the time are severely affected, though this is not universal.
"Stereotypical" autistic behaviors include:
1. Spinning things constantly
2. Something called "perseveration," which comes from the word "persevere." This means they become obsessed with things which most people don't become obsessed with----like a part of a hammer, say.
3. Flapping hands---but a certain type, the type where the entire hand moves, rather than just the fingers.
4. A severe aversion to being touched.
5. A severe reaction to being placed in a situation which departs from a situation which gave them evident pleasure
6. The expression of evident pleasure through various types of vocalizations--squeaks.
Yeah, I guess so. The people I am talking about don't seem to have any repetitive behaviors, but then again, I cold be wrong.
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Usually, people who exhibit stereotypically autistic symptoms all the time are severely affected, though this is not universal.
"Stereotypical" autistic behaviors include:
1. Spinning things constantly
2. Something called "perseveration," which comes from the word "persevere." This means they become obsessed with things which most people don't become obsessed with----like a part of a hammer, say.
3. Flapping hands---but a certain type, the type where the entire hand moves, rather than just the fingers.
4. A severe aversion to being touched.
5. A severe reaction to being placed in a situation which departs from a situation which gave them evident pleasure
6. The expression of evident pleasure through various types of vocalizations--squeaks.
Yeah, I guess so. The people I am talking about don't seem to have any repetitive behaviors, but then again, I cold be wrong.
There are aspects of autism that are not visible. You can't tell by looking at someone how they perceive things. Or if they have hypersensitivity to light and sound. Or what their social skills are etc.
There's a big focus on visible traits because that is what is used to establish autism in babies and toddlers, since they are too little to be given certain tests. That's why some do not get diagnosed when they are little. Their autistic symptoms and traits become more obvious as they get older.
I have always been in private special ed school for autism and not everyone is visibly autistic. Some basically seem perfectly ordinary when it comes to just observing them in class or out on the playground. They are the ones who probably got diagnosed when they were older.
The overall presentation of the person, ideally, should be "clinically significant" at least some of the time. It doesn't have to be all of the time.
It doesn't have to be severe. It should be obvious, at least when the person is under stress.
I should add a couple of things:
1. The "clinically significant" behaviors should not have started before about the age of 5 or so. If they started after that, it's probably not autism.
2. A person could be diagnosed with an autism spectrum disorder if he/she exhibited symptoms in babyhood/toddlerhood/childhood, but doesn't really exhibit "significant" symptoms in adulthood. This is an acknowledgement that symptoms of an ASD could return when a person is stressed.
I'm pretty sure I don't have it again now

I can't remember any "clinically significant" behaviour before I was 5 ( possibly 1 event ) , my mum hasn't the best of memory but she said I hit all my childhood markers and doesn't remember anything relevant. I think I've always had some type of anxiety though as I always had that niggling feeling that my family was keeping something from me.
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I don't think I have any actual memories of nursery but I do have the type of memory that would latch on to bad things happening to me so I think nursery wasn't an issue for me.
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Usually, people who exhibit stereotypically autistic symptoms all the time are severely affected, though this is not universal.
"Stereotypical" autistic behaviors include:
1. Spinning things constantly
2. Something called "perseveration," which comes from the word "persevere." This means they become obsessed with things which most people don't become obsessed with----like a part of a hammer, say.
3. Flapping hands---but a certain type, the type where the entire hand moves, rather than just the fingers.
4. A severe aversion to being touched.
5. A severe reaction to being placed in a situation which departs from a situation which gave them evident pleasure
6. The expression of evident pleasure through various types of vocalizations--squeaks.
Yeah, I guess so. The people I am talking about don't seem to have any repetitive behaviors, but then again, I cold be wrong.
There are aspects of autism that are not visible. You can't tell by looking at someone how they perceive things. Or if they have hypersensitivity to light and sound. Or what their social skills are etc.
There's a big focus on visible traits because that is what is used to establish autism in babies and toddlers, since they are too little to be given certain tests. That's why some do not get diagnosed when they are little. Their autistic symptoms and traits become more obvious as they get older.
I have always been in private special ed school for autism and not everyone is visibly autistic. Some basically seem perfectly ordinary when it comes to just observing them in class or out on the playground. They are the ones who probably got diagnosed when they were older.
I get what you mean. These people could really struggle with repetitive behavior, but look "normal" on the surface. I was just confused since in another thread kraftie mentioned that the behaviors needed to be "obvious" to be clinically significant. Thanks Ezra

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The overall presentation of the person, ideally, should be "clinically significant" at least some of the time. It doesn't have to be all of the time.
It doesn't have to be severe. It should be obvious, at least when the person is under stress.
I should add a couple of things:
1. The "clinically significant" behaviors should not have started before about the age of 5 or so. If they started after that, it's probably not autism.
2. A person could be diagnosed with an autism spectrum disorder if he/she exhibited symptoms in babyhood/toddlerhood/childhood, but doesn't really exhibit "significant" symptoms in adulthood. This is an acknowledgement that symptoms of an ASD could return when a person is stressed.
I'm pretty sure I don't have it again now

I can't remember any "clinically significant" behaviour before I was 5 ( possibly 1 event ) , my mum hasn't the best of memory but she said I hit all my childhood markers and doesn't remember anything relevant. I think I've always had some type of anxiety though as I always had that niggling feeling that my family was keeping something from me.
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