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Is it possible to be autistic with no social problems?
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25 Aug 2017, 3:11 pm

This is probably quite a ridiculous question, as I and most others on this website have significant social difficulties that make socializing/communicating very difficult. But is it possible (by the DSM-5 criteria for ASD) to be autistic without social difficulties as long as you have had them by history and in the early developmental period? As long as you exhibit clinically significant repetitive behaviors, couldn't you be autistic with no social difficulties (as long as you had them in the past)? I know adults/older people can learn to pass as normal, but wouldn't they still have difficulty since "pretending to be normal" is very draining. Just curious :D ........

Here is the DSM-5 criteria for Autism Spectrum Disorder: https://www.iidc.indiana.edu/pages/diag ... -disorder1


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25 Aug 2017, 3:20 pm

If you are wealthy enough you can hire someone to handle social interactions for you. You can be in your own little bubble.



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25 Aug 2017, 3:25 pm

I want that for some social interactions! :D ^^^^^


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25 Aug 2017, 3:29 pm

StampySquiddyFan wrote:
adults/older people can learn to pass as normal, but wouldn't they still have difficulty since "pretending to be normal" is very draining.


No, I don't believe it's even remotely possible to be autistic at any point in your life and not experience social difficulties. It may be possible to be oblivious to your shortcomings and not realize that everybody around you thinks you're a weirdo freak, but that wouldn't mean it wasn't happening.

Since autism at it's core is a hypersensitivity to sensory stimuli that overwhelms the brain's processing centers, that basic condition will never change - meaning your brain's ability to properly process incoming data is compromised, whether you are consciously aware of it or not.

So, your ability to interpret nonverbal social signals is still going to be fighting that endless tsunami of overwhelming sensory input, and you're still going to miss a lot of signals and misinterpret others, even if you're unaware of it, or in denial and refusing to admit it. Others may be discreet enough not to mention it to you, but they will notice that your responses and behaviors are often inappropriate.

And yes, you're right, even attempting to "fit in" as relatively normal is exhausting. That in itself is a tremendous handicap.


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25 Aug 2017, 3:30 pm

I don't see it as a bad question. However, this kind of question poses some validity problems. By that, I mean that any question which has this structure risks having answers which are not only not right, they aren't even wrong. Logic, as a discipline of Philosophy, explains this idea in great detail, and much smarter people than I have written extensively about it. The same ideas form the basis of mathematics (particularly proofs), computer programming and the construction of arguments in many contexts.

To answer the question as best I can, I have seen people on the autism spectrum who have more, fewer, and different social problems than I have. I can't say for sure who falls into the fewer category, and who falls into the different category, because the grass is always greener on the other side of the fence. As a rule, I just assume that everyone has some problems, and generally does the best they can with what they have.

Could I, as a person with autism, fail to notice other people's problems? Heck yeah.

Sometimes where you stand on an issue depends on where you sit. I predict that answers to this question will follow that pattern; people will express their personal sentiments in their answers.


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25 Aug 2017, 3:35 pm

Thank you for your reply will@rd. I didn't really think it could be possible, but it seems as if a lot of people think that it is possible to be autistic without social problems. Just look at some of the online lists of symptoms! Some don't even mention social problems at all, and if they do, it's normally typical issues that stem from being introverted or something related. I was oblivious to my own social problems until I read about them online. I still may be oblivious to some of them. Trying to "fit in" seems harder than being oblivious to me.


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25 Aug 2017, 3:38 pm

Even people who aren't on the autistic spectrum have social problems.



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25 Aug 2017, 3:45 pm

jrjones9933 wrote:
I don't see it as a bad question. However, this kind of question poses some validity problems. By that, I mean that any question which has this structure risks having answers which are not only not right, they aren't even wrong. Logic, as a discipline of Philosophy, explains this idea in great detail, and much smarter people than I have written extensively about it. The same ideas form the basis of mathematics (particularly proofs), computer programming and the construction of arguments in many contexts.

To answer the question as best I can, I have seen people on the autism spectrum who have more, fewer, and different social problems than I have. I can't say for sure who falls into the fewer category, and who falls into the different category, because the grass is always greener on the other side of the fence. As a rule, I just assume that everyone has some problems, and generally does the best they can with what they have.

Could I, as a person with autism, fail to notice other people's problems? Heck yeah.

Sometimes where you stand on an issue depends on where you sit. I predict that answers to this question will follow that pattern; people will express their personal sentiments in their answers.


I agree. I assumed I was going to get a lot of answers based on people's life experiences rather than what the diagnostic criteria says. However, I don't really think that it is possible to be autistic without social difficulties, just based on my own and other people's experience. Like you said, I try to acknowledge everyone has problems and some people cope better than others. But what about the people that have developed such good coping mechanisms that their social problems don't exist anymore? Are there such people? Could you bend the diagnostic criteria to include them as well? Thank you for your reply, by the way!


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25 Aug 2017, 3:48 pm

Syd wrote:
Even people who aren't on the autistic spectrum have social problems.


True, but I meant clinically significant social problems that are highlighted in the diagnostic criteria. :D Thank you for your reply, though!


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25 Aug 2017, 3:51 pm

I would say it is very difficult to be autistic and NOT have social problems whatsoever.

However, there are times when people who are autistic could have relatively less severe social problems for a variety of reasons.

I would say, for Level 2 Autism or below, rather severe social problems are invariably present.



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25 Aug 2017, 3:53 pm

kraftiekortie wrote:
I would say it is very difficult to be autistic and NOT have social problems whatsoever.

However, there are times when people who are autistic could have relatively less severe social problems for a variety of reasons.

I would say, for Level 2 Autism or below, rather severe social problems are invariably present.


Thank you for your reply :D ! I agree, but why not for level 3 autism? I'm just curious.....


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25 Aug 2017, 4:23 pm

What is social difficulty? Is it a matter of perspective? What if a person thinks they are doing fine socially when they are not?



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25 Aug 2017, 4:26 pm

EzraS wrote:
What is social difficulty? Is it a matter of perspective? What if a person thinks they are doing fine socially when they are not?


Anything highlighted in the diagnostic criteria that is clinically significant. If the person thinks they are doing fine socially when they are not, they still have social difficulties (in this hypothetical situation).


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25 Aug 2017, 4:43 pm

Level 3 is more "severe" than Level 2; hence, they probably have even more "severe" social problems.

Level 1 is the "milder" diagnosis.



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25 Aug 2017, 4:45 pm

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I said Level 2 Autism or below.....which is Level 3.

Level 1 is the "milder" diagnosis.


Oh! I interpreted it the other way around- sorry! :D


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25 Aug 2017, 4:47 pm

I should have explained myself better.

That's why we have discussions---so we can teach other, and point out when we make mistakes.