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25 Oct 2017, 5:48 pm

Knowledge comes with death's release?
Most people know it as a lyric in quicksand, and while that is a great song, It's a large belief.
I'm not a very religious person person but for as long as I can remember I've believed this. Humans can't truly be bound to these physical bodies yes?
And perhaps those of us who are different are the only ones worthy of obtaining true knowledge. Not just aspies or anything, but everyone who must endure great hardships because of our differences.
It's a fine idea no?



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25 Oct 2017, 9:29 pm

Another Bowie fan I see :)

To an extent. We can't truly know how things work until we die, and even then there'll probably be things we'll never get to know. While religious figures may appear in NDEs (Jesus, Krishna, Buddha etc.), I don't think anyone alive or dead knows whether or not there truly is a god.


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25 Oct 2017, 10:01 pm

Masakados wrote:
Knowledge comes with death's release?
Most people know it as a lyric in quicksand, and while that is a great song, It's a large belief.
I'm not a very religious person person but for as long as I can remember I've believed this. Humans can't truly be bound to these physical bodies yes?
And perhaps those of us who are different are the only ones worthy of obtaining true knowledge. Not just aspies or anything, but everyone who must endure great hardships because of our differences.
It's a fine idea no?

not to sure what you mean by the first quote but. The third one is kinda unsure. but the second one isn't nesicarlly true. There is a difference between knowledge and wisdom wisdom is the ability to act upon knowledge and/or past experience while knowledge is the understanding of something. Now Wisdom is often obtained from suffering. It doesn't matter what causes the suffering. Suffering just helps you obtain wisdom. Here is a quote from the bible [quote="Genesis 3:6]When the woman saw that the fruit of the tree was good for food and pleasing to the eye, and also desirable for gaining wisdom, she took some and ate it. She also gave some to her husband, who was with her, and he ate it.[/quote] It's a slightly confusing thing btu what it means is that wisdom is hard to obtain but a rewarding thing to obtain. The path to wisdom is full of struggle and pain. It often is searching for knowledge no matter what yearning for knowledge is something that helps you to become wise. Curiosity leads to wisdom. Now one thing you're missing is that. A. Great hardships are equally affect both autistic and neurotypical people. Think of the story of buddha. He was a prince who was given everything he could possibly want but gave it up for being a beggar and living a life of suffering and pain. This suffering and pain lead him to wisdom. All forms of pain can make people stronger. Though there are people who don't become like this. It's a interesting concept none the less. Now true knowledge isn't really a thing the truth isn't real it's subjective. so whatever knowledge is true to me is true to you.

The knowledge's comes with death's release, assuming this isn't metaphorical yes it does you don't know what it is like to die till you die. But since you die and assuming there is no afterlife you'd be dead and wouldn't have that knowledge. Now the physical body thing. You can believe in a separation of mind body and spirit or any combination of those. Where the mind and body or soul and body or mind body and soul are different entities.I feel that my body is separated from my brain.. Personally. But in terms of bounding. in almost every religion I've ever heard of the only way for you to transfer souls is to die and go to an afterlife or become a zombie and have no soul.. But it's impossible to know either way. You can believe in spirituality if you want. But. It's a belief there is no evidence either way so here is no way to conclusively tell. From my point of view. The human soul/spirit is your personality and essence. It's a part of your mind therefore it would be more your mind being unbound from your body. and That wouldn't work unless you die. So atleast while living you are bound to your body.
Now the one thing about wisdom that is bad is that, wisdom isn't always a good thing wisdom can be damaging if one isnt' ready for it.Wisdom isn't about age it's about experience. Wisdom is about learning from your experiences and using your knowledge to your advantage it's not about being superior. Wise people help others as much as they can. But said wiseman can't lead people on the path they follow. You can only give them advice you can't make their choices for them. Sure you can attempt to steer them in the right direction. If you just give advice it's more effective then telling people what to do. You have to give them an outlook to make their own decisions but not, Make them for them.


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