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Shakti
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30 Nov 2017, 11:09 am

Hi guys,

The last few weeks in my life and some of the posts on here have inspired me to create a Facebook group where we can discuss a more empowered approach to managing ASD than the mainstream one that keeps people sick so Big Pharma can keep profiting. I want to have more of these discussions on this board, but a lot of people are scared of treating ASD in a way outside what's considered normal, and that's understandable, but in the short time I've been on WP there's definitely a lot of people with ASD like myself who see a much happier ending if we take things into our own hands rather than letting "experts" manage us.

Because there's implications for the custody battle for my son to a lot of people in my life knowing I have ASD, I have made this group a secret one. So if you're interested in joining us, send me a PM and I'll send you the link to the group. And of course feel free to add people from outside WP who you think would benefit.


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01 Dec 2017, 2:50 am

There is no "natural treatment" for autism.

Unless someone has food allergies, a change in diet isnt going to change them or their autism. And even if they do have food allergies, they are just in less pain not less autistic.


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01 Dec 2017, 2:59 am

teksla wrote:
There is no "natural treatment" for autism.

Unless someone has food allergies, a change in diet isnt going to change them or their autism. And even if they do have food allergies, they are just in less pain not less autistic.


Yes, there are. I utilize many natural medicines, supplements, and foods to treat my ASD symptoms. I've been sharing about it on these forums for over 4 years now. Just because you don't use any or haven't found success with any doesn't mean they don't exist.

Know what there aren't for sure, though? Specific pharmaceutical pills for the treatment of Autism. So far all Western Medicine has are the same smattering of antidepressants, anti-anxiety meds, and adhd stimulants they like to throw at everything and see if it helps.

False. MANY have found success in treating theirs, or their children's, ASD with dietary changes. That's why there are many google results about it, documentaries, threads on these very forums. etc. Again, false. We're talking about treating ASD with dietary changes and restrictions, not eliminating allergens. Both are very real.

There's a reason Hypocrates said "Let food be thy medicine, and thy medicine be thy food." Food is fuel, yes, but it's also medicinal. Pretty much every food & plant has a medicinal purpose.

Besides, where do you think "medicine," in the form of pharmaceutical pills prescribed by an MD come from? Hint: Most are derived from plants. We can either eat the plants/foods in their whole form, or consume the processed and refined versions sold in pills. Both can have medicinal properties and effects.


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01 Dec 2017, 3:43 am

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teksla wrote:
There is no "natural treatment" for autism.

Unless someone has food allergies, a change in diet isnt going to change them or their autism. And even if they do have food allergies, they are just in less pain not less autistic.


Yes, there are. I utilize many natural medicines, supplements, and foods to treat my ASD symptoms. I've been sharing about it on these forums for over 4 years now. Just because you don't use any or haven't found success with any doesn't mean they don't exist.

Know what there aren't for sure, though? Specific pharmaceutical pills for the treatment of Autism. So far all Western Medicine has are the same smattering of antidepressants, anti-anxiety meds, and adhd stimulants they like to throw at everything and see if it helps.

False. MANY have found success in treating theirs, or their children's, ASD with dietary changes. That's why there are many google results about it, documentaries, threads on these very forums. etc. Again, false. We're talking about treating ASD with dietary changes and restrictions, not eliminating allergens. Both are very real.

There's a reason Hypocrates said "Let food be thy medicine, and thy medicine be thy food." Food is fuel, yes, but it's also medicinal. Pretty much every food & plant has a medicinal purpose.

Besides, where do you think "medicine," in the form of pharmaceutical pills prescribed by an MD come from? Hint: Most are derived from plants. We can either eat the plants/foods in their whole form, or consume the processed and refined versions sold in pills. Both can have medicinal properties and effects.


Do you know what alternative medicine that works is called? Medicine.

Saying that "many" people have had "success" doesnt mean that something works. I could start using a black backpack instead of a blue one and claim that i am suddenly getting better grades, that doesnt mean that it would be A. True or B. Correlated.


If you feel that what you are doing has helped you, that's great.

But unfortunately humans are very unreliable when it comes to objectively seeing and judging themselves. The same goes for close family members and friends. If one wants to see improvement, its easy for one to "see" it even when there is none.


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01 Dec 2017, 4:33 am

There is something about your wording that rubs me the wrong way. Autism itself isn't something that needs to be treated. It is a neurological variation, not a pathology. All of your posts about finding treatment for autism make me feel defensive because I am not diseased in need of a cure.

However, managing symptoms like meltdowns, anxiety, cognitive functioning, and sensory overload can definitely be helped with natural medicine and food. The same way those symptoms are helped in non autistic people.



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01 Dec 2017, 6:42 am

starcats wrote:
There is something about your wording that rubs me the wrong way. Autism itself isn't something that needs to be treated. It is a neurological variation, not a pathology. All of your posts about finding treatment for autism make me feel defensive because I am not diseased in need of a cure.

However, managing symptoms like meltdowns, anxiety, cognitive functioning, and sensory overload can definitely be helped with natural medicine and food. The same way those symptoms are helped in non autistic people.


Ok. ??

My wording is a factual conveyance of my experience of ASD as well as how I treat it & what the results are. I don't care one bit if you opt to not treat your own ASD symptoms. Just because you don't believe it's treatable doesn't mean that it isn't. You're free to carry on experiencing ASD & life as you are, I'm not making you treat yourself in the way I do for myself. It's been my personal experience that life with ASD symptoms treated & minimized is infinitey better than not. YYMV.


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01 Dec 2017, 1:43 pm

Goldfish, thank you, I couldn't have said it better. Don't knock it until you have tried it.


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01 Dec 2017, 4:35 pm

teksla wrote:
Do you know what alternative medicine that works is called? Medicine.

Saying that "many" people have had "success" doesnt mean that something works. I could start using a black backpack instead of a blue one and claim that i am suddenly getting better grades, that doesnt mean that it would be A. True or B. Correlated.


If you feel that what you are doing has helped you, that's great.

But unfortunately humans are very unreliable when it comes to objectively seeing and judging themselves. The same goes for close family members and friends. If one wants to see improvement, its easy for one to "see" it even when there is none.


The phrase "alternative medicine," as I accept it to be, refers to medicine outside of Western Medicine's pharmaceuticals. Correct, all are medicine.

You posting your cynicism of my statements doesn't make them untrue, nor any others stories people have shared online. I have no reason to fabricate what I've achieved, no reason to lie or embellish. You don't have to believe me or anyone else who's managed to treat their ASD symptoms, but it doesn't mean we're not doing it.

Like a broken record for over 4 years now.. I know what I've managed to do and how. I've shared it here. My life is night and day different for the better. I'm happier, healthier, able to work way better, function in society - even the most social parts - and have a growing bank account. By all measures I've improved remarkably from sensory sensitivities to depression to anxiety to social interactions to work to finances etc, and all because I've used natural medicines and food to treat my ASD and other symptoms.

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01 Dec 2017, 4:58 pm

starcats wrote:
There is something about your wording that rubs me the wrong way. Autism itself isn't something that needs to be treated. It is a neurological variation, not a pathology. All of your posts about finding treatment for autism make me feel defensive because I am not diseased in need of a cure.

However, managing symptoms like meltdowns, anxiety, cognitive functioning, and sensory overload can definitely be helped with natural medicine and food. The same way those symptoms are helped in non autistic people.

Depression is treated, anxiety is treated, they're not pathologies either, AFAIK.
Treatment doesn't automatically mean diseased, so I don't know why you are making that association.


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02 Dec 2017, 7:41 pm

Shakti wrote:
the mainstream one that keeps people sick so Big Pharma can keep profiting

This doesn't make sense. There are no pharmaceutical treatments for ASD.

In any case, there is much more profit to be found in cure than treatment. People are prepared to pay much more for a one-off cure than they are for an ongoing imperfect treatment. This would particularly benefit companies which do not hold the patent for the leading treatment for the disease - which, after 18 years, will be all of them.

I am extremely suspicious of anyone who claims to have a "natural treatment" for ASD. Yes, generally taking care of your health will probably improve your symptoms. I do not buy into the mass supplementation, the elimination of perfectly healthy foods, the fad diets where you largely subside on chicken soup, the "herbal remedies", and certainly not the homoeopathy or the tapping or the alignment of the chakras.

I believe that people who claim they have natural cures are usually lying and aiming to exploit the stupid with grand promises. Sometimes they're not lying, they've found something that they think has helped them, but that doesn't mean they're right. Usually they're the victims of the fraudsters. Regardless, their claims are not plausible and are only likely to lead to frustration for those who follow them.



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03 Dec 2017, 1:14 am

Look, I get it, not everyone is open-minded about a more natural and empowered way to treat, manage, control, whatever you want to call what you do with ASD. Ultimately it's not something to be cured, it's our superpower that we can use to change the world if we use it right.

If you are skeptical of a more natural approach to ASD, you're entitled to your opinion, however please don't stink up this thread for other people who could really get something out of this group. And if you think it can't be done, definitely don't interrupt the people actually doing it!! We just simply want a safe place to compare notes, figure out what works for us, and possibly carve a better path for everyone with ASD, including you.


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03 Dec 2017, 3:02 am

Cross posting is prohibited. You need to either be in this area or health and fitness. You cannot be in both.


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03 Dec 2017, 5:21 am

The_Walrus wrote:
Shakti wrote:
the mainstream one that keeps people sick so Big Pharma can keep profiting

This doesn't make sense. There are no pharmaceutical treatments for ASD.

In any case, there is much more profit to be found in cure than treatment. People are prepared to pay much more for a one-off cure than they are for an ongoing imperfect treatment. This would particularly benefit companies which do not hold the patent for the leading treatment for the disease - which, after 18 years, will be all of them.

I am extremely suspicious of anyone who claims to have a "natural treatment" for ASD. Yes, generally taking care of your health will probably improve your symptoms. I do not buy into the mass supplementation, the elimination of perfectly healthy foods, the fad diets where you largely subside on chicken soup, the "herbal remedies", and certainly not the homoeopathy or the tapping or the alignment of the chakras.

I believe that people who claim they have natural cures are usually lying and aiming to exploit the stupid with grand promises. Sometimes they're not lying, they've found something that they think has helped them, but that doesn't mean they're right. Usually they're the victims of the fraudsters. Regardless, their claims are not plausible and are only likely to lead to frustration for those who follow them.


The majority of people on the spectrum have diagnosable anxiety and depression. Also often specific learning difficulties such as sustaining attention. That is what natural treatments for the most part are seeking to improve, not autism itself.



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03 Dec 2017, 8:31 am

The_Walrus wrote:
Shakti wrote:
the mainstream one that keeps people sick so Big Pharma can keep profiting

This doesn't make sense. There are no pharmaceutical treatments for ASD.

In any case, there is much more profit to be found in cure than treatment. People are prepared to pay much more for a one-off cure than they are for an ongoing imperfect treatment. This would particularly benefit companies which do not hold the patent for the leading treatment for the disease - which, after 18 years, will be all of them.

I am extremely suspicious of anyone who claims to have a "natural treatment" for ASD. Yes, generally taking care of your health will probably improve your symptoms. I do not buy into the mass supplementation, the elimination of perfectly healthy foods, the fad diets where you largely subside on chicken soup, the "herbal remedies", and certainly not the homoeopathy or the tapping or the alignment of the chakras.

I believe that people who claim they have natural cures are usually lying and aiming to exploit the stupid with grand promises. Sometimes they're not lying, they've found something that they think has helped them, but that doesn't mean they're right. Usually they're the victims of the fraudsters. Regardless, their claims are not plausible and are only likely to lead to frustration for those who follow them.


But Big Pharma is working on pills for ASD. There was an article out in the past year or so about some compound found in broccoli that's being studied for it's potential to treat Autism. Big Pharma is trying to develop convenient once a day high profit pills to treat ASD if they can get something to work, as they do with all ailments that afflict a large enough population to be profitable. That was her point, I'm sure of it.

More profit in cure than treatment? :lol: It doesn't even take a business school education to know that's false. How many of these one-shot high priced pharmaceutical cures can you name? I can't think of even a single one right now. (Doesn't mean there aren't any at all.) But yeeeaaah, the goal of the pharmaceutical industry is to make people comfortable by managing symptoms so they'll be recurring revenue for, hopefully, the rest of their natural lives. That's why so many Millions upon Millions of people are on antidepressants, ADHD meds, high blood pressure meds, high cholesterol drugs etc etc etc.

Be skeptical of natural medicines all you want, it doesn't change their effectiveness for those of us who utilize them.

Please, do tell me what incentive anyone of us on these forums who uses foods/supplements/natural medicines et al has to lie about what we consume and how it benefits us? I'd like to know, what's in it for me? More than 4 years on and I'm still waiting for my big fraudster payday! :lol: Serious question, though.


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03 Dec 2017, 8:38 am

'Natural' in this case is just a euphemism for not peer reviewed or tested in double blind trials. You cannot treat the way someone's brain is wired. Autism is a genetic thing. Eating different food or a sugar-pill (which is all that homeopathy is, for instance) is not going to cure it, because there is nothing to cure. That's like trying to cure people of being brown-eyed.



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'Natural' in this case is just a euphemism for not peer reviewed or tested in double blind trials. You cannot treat the way someone's brain is wired. Autism is a genetic thing. Eating different food or a sugar-pill (which is all that homeopathy is, for instance) is not going to cure it, because there is nothing to cure. That's like trying to cure people of being brown-eyed.


That's if you believe that the only component to ASD is the hard wiring of our brains. I believe that is A component of it, but not the only one. It may or may not also be genetic, I don't know - but I'm pretty sure there isn't any definitive science to say "Autism is a genetic thing." I don't believe anything can cure it, because we can't rewire our brains - so your thinking on that is likely correct. However, we can eat things that treat it, especially since the other main component is digestive in nature. We can eat things that treat, control, and manage symptoms - just as people can do the same with either food or pharmaceuticals to do the same for other ailments. I know this to be true because I do it for myself.


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